women in the church

[B.G. Kent]

..seem to occupy more space then men...they keep it going they hold it
together and yet they are still treated as second class and as below a man
because of Paul's writings and the misuse of the story of Adam and Eve.
I don't think the Catholic Church will ever grow until they recognize the
evils they have done to women throughout the centuries and allow women to
be priests.

I.M.O

for the love of Jesus and his wife, the Magdelene

Bren

[**Rowland Croucher**]

Post by B.G. Kent
..seem to occupy more space then men...they keep it going they hold it
together and yet they are still treated as second class and as below a man
because of Paul's writings and the misuse of the story of Adam and Eve.
I don't think the Catholic Church will ever grow until they recognize the
evils they have done to women throughout the centuries and allow women to
be priests.
I.M.O
for the love of Jesus and his wife, the Magdelene
Bren

Here's another take on this, Bren: http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8195.htm

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[B.G. Kent]

Thankyou Rowland...I read the link and I found it quite balanced and fair.
Yes..time for equality and a less literal approach..I agree in total.

Bren

[**Rowland Croucher**]

Post by B.G. Kent
Thankyou Rowland...I read the link and I found it quite balanced and fair.
Yes..time for equality and a less literal approach..I agree in total.
Bren

As a famous Person would say 'You're not far from the kingdom' :-)
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[Joel Drussis]

Post by B.G. Kent
I don't think the Catholic Church will ever grow until
they recognize the evils they have done to women
throughout the centuries and allow women to
be priests.

That would require that the Catholic Church dump centuries worth of
long standing Catholic traditions. Do you also request the Orthodox
start ordaining women? As far as I can see, it is not the least bit
necessary. If a Christian wants to snub his or her nose at Catholic
(or Orthodox) teachings, he or she can run off and be a Protestant and
do whatever he or she likes, making up doctrines as he or she goes
along. However, if that person wants at least a minimum of a semblance
of something that seems Catholic (or Orthodox) they can go to the
Anglican/Epsicopalian church, which has a skeletal liturgy,
iconography, some mildly similar concept of the eucharist, and yet
also has female priests!

[B.G. Kent]

Post by Joel Drussis

Post by B.G. Kent
I don't think the Catholic Church will ever grow until
they recognize the evils they have done to women
throughout the centuries and allow women to
be priests.

That would require that the Catholic Church dump centuries worth of
long standing Catholic traditions.

B - and?



Do you also request the Orthodox

Post by Joel Drussis
start ordaining women? As far as I can see, it is not the least bit
necessary.

B - You're not a woman.

Bren

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by Joel Drussis

Post by B.G. Kent
I don't think the Catholic Church will ever grow until
they recognize the evils they have done to women
throughout the centuries and allow women to
be priests.

That would require that the Catholic Church dump centuries worth of
long standing Catholic traditions.

Well, not if it is only the genuine _evils_ they recognize. But of course,
Bren's proposal does not recognize this. Rather, she has a grossly partisan and
exaggerated sense of what 'evils' the Roman Church has done, just like those
Canadian judges who chose to penalize the modern Church to the tune of millions
of dollars (or was it billions?) for sexual abuse, both real cases and imagined,
that took place decades and even over a century ago.

And of course, refusing to ordain women is NOT an evil. Rather, it follows from
the understanding of the Creation and Fall that was once common to both Catholic
and Orthodox, that in the Creation, God divided all of Creation in five
divisions: Intelligent created beings vs. unintelligent, spiritual vs. carnal,
male vs. female, earth vs. heaven, paradise vs. the rest of earth. Adam's
mission was to unite all these divisions and present the whole of Ceation back
to God.

Pretending that women's "equal rights" implies they should be ordained goes
against this in a radical and destructive way, since instead of bridging the
divide between male and female, it simply denies the real difference.

Post by Joel Drussis
Do you also request the Orthodox
start ordaining women? As far as I can see, it is not the least bit
necessary. If a Christian wants to snub his or her nose at Catholic
(or Orthodox) teachings, he or she can run off and be a Protestant and
do whatever he or she likes, making up doctrines as he or she goes
along. However, if that person wants at least a minimum of a semblance
of something that seems Catholic (or Orthodox) they can go to the
Anglican/Epsicopalian church, which has a skeletal liturgy,
iconography, some mildly similar concept of the eucharist, and yet
also has female priests!

The key word is 'seems'. For that is quite apropos. After all, it may _seem_
Orthodox, but it most certainly is not.

Orthodoxy is not a buffet, where you can pick some parts and leave the rest. It
is more like a tapestry, where you either accept the whole thing or not. The
Anglican/Episcopalians did not accept the whole thing.