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Believing in Jesus and running for office
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**Rowland Croucher**
2008-01-02 01:53:23 UTC
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Note: I don't agree with a lot Harry writes (below, for example, I'd
omit Thomas and put John in its place) but he gets me thinking, and I
for one am not threatened by that! Rowland Croucher).

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Believing in Jesus and running for office

By Harry T. Cook


The candidate who runs on his or her belief in Jesus - or upon some
variation of that confession of faith - had better understand a few
things about the Jesus depicted in the more reliable of the gospels,
viz., Thomas, Mark, Matthew and Luke.

The Jesus portrayed in those documents is, by turns, a radical
egalitarian, an economic socialist, a pacifist and a willing speaker
of truth to power.

Belief in that Jesus can only be a commitment to model one's life on
his teaching and example. Name me one serious candidate for the
presidency of the United States who would admit to being radically
egalitarian, an economic socialist, a pacifist or a confronter of
entrenched power. Name me one.

Yet many of those candidates have paraded their religious pretensions
modulated just so, depending on the geography and demographics of
their audiences.

It has become commonplace for a U.S. President to end his addresses
with "God bless America," but the incumbent topped that by his answer
to a question during his first presidential campaign in 1999. The
question was with which "political philosopher or thinker" did he
identify most?

Bush's answer: "Christ, because he changed my heart." Given the past
seven years, you'd have to ask, "Changed it into what?"

The 2008 presidential campaign is awash in silly piety, with each
candidate trying to outdo the other in proving his or her religious
bona fides. Even the sole Mormon in the contest has been busy trying
to be seen as a bible-believing Baptist. The effort is a perfect fit
with his chameleon ways.

How strange in a nation that was deliberately founded by religious
people as a secular state with a clear separation of religion and
government. A big part of America's genius is the First Amendment to
its Constitution, which, without nuance, forbids an establishment of
religion, and prohibits the state from interfering with its free
exercise.

The question, therefore, is not whether candidates for public office
are permitted to speak publicly about their religions. Rather, the
question is why in America it should matter what a candidate's
religious sentiments or persuasions are. The answer to that question
is:

It doesn't.

The Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the body of law that has
flowed from them contain a surfeit of wisdom, precedent and
inspiration upon which to govern. There is no need for Sunday school
or catechism lessons to be exhumed for direction in the setting and
carrying out of public policy.

No need for any of that. Neither for such subjective boilerplate as
"God has spoken to me, and therefore I must do such-and-such." Planet
Earth is just now rife with leaders of nations, tribes, kith and clan
who claim just such private revelations, and, on the basis of them,
proceed to bring ruin upon those they rule.

What has more often than not set America apart from the lot of them is
the kind of clear-eyed secularity of its governance. Franklin D.
Roosevelt was encouraged early on in his first term by such otherwise
progressive types as Walter Lippmann to use his executive powers as a
quasi-dictator on the grounds of revealed wisdom to save America's
Depression-broken economy. Roosevelt declined. His salvific efforts
were confined to working his will through the legislative process and
the exercise of permissible executive power.

If any of our 43 chief executives since 1789 could have gotten away
with the claiming of messianic revelation by force, they were Abraham
Lincoln and Roosevelt - both men of Christian orientation, both
familiar with the cadences and eloquence of the King James Version of
the Bible, both naturally articulate and focused. Yet neither was
willing finally to be led into the messianic temptation.

The idea that President No. 43 - he of demonstrably C-minus abilities
whose favorite political philosopher or thinker must be a comic-book
character inspired in equal parts by Jerry Falwell and Niccolo
Machiavelli - should have been able to establish his faith-based
initiatives both foreign and domestic because Christ changed his heart
is an insult to both church and state.

Meanwhile, it is probably too late in the game to exorcise all the
Jesus and God talk from the rhetorical grab bag of the 2008 campaign.
Yet after the "I-Can-Out-Jesus-You" taunts that have passed for the
Iowa primary campaign, maybe the American electorate would be willing
to avail itself of a rudimentary civics lesson on the First Amendment.

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noshellswill
2008-01-12 20:38:28 UTC
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Post by **Rowland Croucher**
Note: I don't agree with a lot Harry writes (below, for example, I'd
omit Thomas and put John in its place) but he gets me thinking, and I
for one am not threatened by that! Rowland Croucher).
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Believing in Jesus and running for office
By Harry T. Cook
The candidate who runs on his or her belief in Jesus - or upon some
variation of that confession of faith - had better understand a few
things about the Jesus depicted in the more reliable of the gospels,
viz., Thomas, Mark, Matthew and Luke.
The Jesus portrayed in those documents is, by turns, a radical
egalitarian, an economic socialist, a pacifist and a willing speaker
of truth to power.
Belief in that Jesus can only be a commitment to model one's life on
his teaching and example. Name me one serious candidate for the
presidency of the United States who would admit to being radically
egalitarian, an economic socialist, a pacifist or a confronter of
entrenched power. Name me one.
Yet many of those candidates have paraded their religious pretensions
modulated just so, depending on the geography and demographics of
their audiences.
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RC:

Granting all that ( hardly a certain thing ) FSOA, the Christian
American citizen an hardly be faulted for striking back at a government
so over-reaching of its Constitutional powers.

3rd Amendment terminology reads " ... shall make no law ..."

It's really quite a radical statement. Combined with the 12th Amendment
you've got an absolute prohibition on ANY government interference with
individual religious practice or it's extension to any aspect of
cultural behavior excepting perhaps the most narrowly constrained
functions of the State ( coinage, killing invaders ).

Yep, that's real radical politics - a b*tchslapping to modern
"progressive" secularism - generated by a bunch of heretical OWG
slave_owning 18th Century skeptical Deists. Smart guys, eh ...?

'Course you might not LIKE the 3rd and 12th Amendment. Most "progressives"
don't. Doesn't 'play nice' with their DARWIN AWARD winning
pander_groups. But don't play the VILLAGE ATHEIST when citizens demand
their Constitutionally recognized powers.

BTW: Gospel of Thomas? You must be kidding ...

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