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The heterosexual agenda
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shegeek72
2008-01-30 01:32:44 UTC
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Now wait, heterosexual agenda? You thought it was the homosexual
agenda.

That's what the religious (un)right would like us to believe. But if
we examine our culture there's overwhelming and persuasive pressure to
be heterosexual. From birth we're saturated with heterosexism, usually
beginning with our parents (unless one's parents are gay!). The media:
couples are almost always portrayed as male and female in magazines,
movies and TV, though gays and lesbians are receiving increasingly
more exposure from cable's 'The L-Word,' to public TV's 'In the Life'
to network's 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer.'

Queer young people tend to hide their sexual orientation (depending on
how liberal the area), sometimes even dating the opposite sex to
appear "normal." But a more important aspect to staying in the closet
is to prevent the ostracizing, taunts, bashings, even murder that can
occur at the hands of homophobic people and there's lots of them. This
is a very real danger and a sad fact about the prejudices of our
society - it's an updated version of the discrimination and lynching
of blacks.

Parents sometimes try to push their children into a heterosexual
identity and, unless they know and accept their child's homosexuality,
refuse to acknowledge it or even reject them. An unmarried woman in
her 30s is sometimes looked-down on. "When are you going to marry and
have children?" family and friends will prod.

Sex researcher Michael Kinsey postulated that no one is explicitly
heterosexual or homosexual, rather we fall somewhere on a scale of 0 -
6, with 0 being totally hetero and 6 totally gay. The same is true of
gender - it's a spectrum; we've all seen the effeminate male or
masculine woman. A common mistake is to equate sex with gender -
they're separate and distinct. Sex is male and female, or a blending
of the two in intersexed people. Gender is where one presents on the
masculine-to-feminine scale. It is a social construct that places men
and women into distinct categories, each with its own attributes such
as dress, hair style, mannerisms, walk, etc. The West particularly has
strict gender constructs and often ridicules, or acts negatively
toward, gender-variant folks.

The retards of the religious (un)right think transgendered people are
trying to 'deconstruct biological gender.' Gender is not biological
for reasons stated and we have no desire to 'deconstruct' gender, even
if that were possible. However, we do want to live our lives without
transphobia and homophobia, and have better things to do than try to
get boys to wear dresses. Genetic sex is not just XX or XY - there are
many variations such as XXX, XXY, etc. Some are even born a phenotype
male with XX genes and vice-versa.

The Bush administration's "Defense of Marriage Act" is an attempt to
codify discrimination into the US Constitution. No matter how one
feels about same-sex marriage, denying one class of people the same
rights granted to another is in violation of the 14th Amendment's
equal protection of the laws.

If wanting equal rights means the end of homophobic / transphobic
attacks, discrimination, ostracization and having the same contractual
marriage rights as heterosexuals is an agenda, then so be it. When
negros were fighting for equal rights that must have been the African
American agenda.

Of course, homosexuals are pedophiles, luring unsuspecting boys into
the 'gay lifestyle' and our children are being 'recruited' into being
gays, lesbians and transgenders in schools across the country.

And I just saw a big, white rabbit carrying a pocket watch exclaiming,
"I'm late, I'm late!"

When I hear Christians spouting off about the homosexual agenda, this
is much ado about nothing. The heterosexual agenda is more persuasive
and powerful, along with the religious (un)right's anti-gay / anti-
trans agenda.

Blessings,
Tara
--
Tara's Transgender Resources
http://tarasresources.net

Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.mccchurch.org
Matthew Johnson
2008-02-04 01:22:32 UTC
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Post by shegeek72
Now wait, heterosexual agenda? You thought it was the homosexual
agenda.
That was less inaccurate than your title, yes.
Post by shegeek72
That's what the religious (un)right would like us to believe.
Perhaps they would. But they are dangerous liberals;)
Post by shegeek72
But if we examine our culture there's overwhelming and persuasive
pressure to be heterosexual.
Haven't you ever read Aristotle? This 'pressure' makes perfect
sense. As Aristotle pointed out, the state needs offspring to keep the
State alive. Guess what you have to encourage to encourage offspring.

What Aristotle said of the State is true of human culture in general.
Post by shegeek72
From birth we're saturated with heterosexism, usually
beginning with our parents (unless one's parents are gay!).
Which word do you not understand? Is it 'gay', or is it 'parent'?
Post by shegeek72
The media: couples are almost always portrayed as male and female in
magazines, movies and TV,
That is a lot better than the direction it is now taking... at your
insane behest.
Post by shegeek72
though gays and lesbians are receiving increasingly more exposure
from cable's 'The L-Word,' to public TV's 'In the Life' to network's
'Buffy the Vampire Slayer.'
And this is bad. Worse than Global Warming!
Post by shegeek72
Queer young people tend to hide their sexual orientation
Nice to see they learn this early... the sensible ones will keep it
up, since follow _your_ advice and precedent is wretched folly.
Post by shegeek72
(depending on how liberal the area), sometimes even dating the
opposite sex to appear "normal."
Are you afraid the experience will leave them traumatized?
Post by shegeek72
But a more important aspect to staying in the closet is to prevent
the ostracizing, taunts, bashings, even murder that can occur at the
hands of homophobic people and there's lots of them. This is a very
real danger and a sad fact about the prejudices of our society - it's
an updated version of the discrimination and lynching of blacks.
Wouldn't your propaganda campaign be SO much easier if this were
really true! But it is not, as the "religious right" correctly
observes. There is no valid comparison between the racial bigotry of
bygone years and the hatred of such abominable sinners.
Post by shegeek72
Parents sometimes try to push their children into a heterosexual
identity and,
As all responsible parents will do, yes. You, however, prefer
irresponsibility, and of the worst possible kind.
Post by shegeek72
unless they know and accept their child's homosexuality,
Which would be a disaster -- as it so often really is.
Post by shegeek72
refuse to acknowledge it or even reject them. An unmarried woman in
her 30s is sometimes looked-down on. "When are you going to marry and
have children?" family and friends will prod.
Are you really so clueless? They do this whether or not they think she
is of the wrong orientation. It is natural and right that parents
should want grandchildren. If it is wrong for them to nag their
offspring, that is a minor offense.
Post by shegeek72
Sex researcher Michael Kinsey postulated that no one is explicitly
heterosexual or homosexual, rather we fall somewhere on a scale of 0 -
6, with 0 being totally hetero and 6 totally gay.
More outdated pseudo-science?
Post by shegeek72
The same is true of gender - it's a spectrum;
I see the answer is 'yes'.
Post by shegeek72
we've all seen the effeminate male or masculine woman. A common
mistake is to equate sex with gender - they're separate and distinct.
So you love to repeat. But it was wrong the first time you said it and
it is still wrong.
Post by shegeek72
Sex is male and female, or a blending of the two in intersexed
people. Gender is where one presents on the masculine-to-feminine
scale. It is a social construct that places men and women into
distinct categories, each with its own attributes such as dress, hair
style, mannerisms, walk, etc. The West particularly has strict gender
constructs and often ridicules, or acts negatively toward,
gender-variant folks.
The retards of the religious (un)right think transgendered people are
trying to 'deconstruct biological gender.'
So they confuse two evils: deconstructionism and transgenderism. This
is not nearly as bad as what you do.
Post by shegeek72
Gender is not biological
for reasons stated
Nonsense. Your "reasons stated" were simply WRONG.
Post by shegeek72
and we have no desire to 'deconstruct' gender,
even if that were possible. However, we do want to live our lives
without transphobia and homophobia,
Well guess what: Providence has denied that to you. If you had the
_least_ inclination to Christianity, you would deal with this fact
instead of sweeping it under the rug in every post (as you do).
Post by shegeek72
and have better things to do than
try to get boys to wear dresses.
Well, yes, you do. But you are not _doing_ these "better things". You
are doing worse things instead.
Post by shegeek72
Genetic sex is not just XX or XY -
there are many variations such as XXX, XXY, etc. Some are even born a
phenotype male with XX genes and vice-versa.
Repeating the same disinformation over and over in the hope we will
fall for it? Give it up, it won't work.
Post by shegeek72
The Bush administration's "Defense of Marriage Act" is an attempt to
codify discrimination into the US Constitution.
It is not 'discrimination', no matter how often you repeat this
blatant lie.
Post by shegeek72
No matter how one feels about same-sex marriage, denying one class of
people the same rights granted to another is in violation of the 14th
Amendment's equal protection of the laws.
This too is a blatant lie. You misunderstand (deliberately) what the
"right to marry" is: it is the right for a man and a woman to
marry. Even the most cursory glance at marriage law throughout history
confirms this.
Post by shegeek72
If wanting equal rights means the end of homophobic / transphobic
attacks, discrimination, ostracization and having the same contractual
marriage rights as heterosexuals is an agenda, then so be it.
What was that supposed to accomplish? Proof by fiat?
Post by shegeek72
When negros were fighting for equal rights that must have been the
African American agenda.
It wasn't. In fact, a lot of people who personally knew MLK and fought
alongside him are disgusted with this dishonest attempt to equate the
two battles.
Post by shegeek72
Of course, homosexuals are pedophiles, luring unsuspecting boys into
the 'gay lifestyle' and our children are being 'recruited' into being
gays, lesbians and transgenders in schools across the country.
And I just saw a big, white rabbit carrying a pocket watch exclaiming,
"I'm late, I'm late!"
You _are_ late! You should have repented _before_ you had that
abominable lie carved into your flesh.
Post by shegeek72
When I hear Christians spouting off about the homosexual agenda, this
is much ado about nothing.
No, it is "much ado" about something very important. It is somewhat
misconceived "much ado", but that is no justification for your
unending stream of disgusting lies.
Post by shegeek72
The heterosexual agenda is more persuasive and powerful, along with
the religious (un)right's anti-gay / anti- trans agenda.
No, it is not nearly powerful enough. If it were, surgeons who perform
the surgery you accepted would lose their license to practice medicine
and people who speak in favor of it would receive the full civil
penalties for fraud.
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Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
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Anonymouse
2008-02-11 01:52:23 UTC
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Take two parts condescension, apply vigorously.
If you are still losing the argument, apply more vigorously.
we can see that you've already overdone the condecension....

time to stir vigorously!

(Pssst....condescending attitudes do nothing to further your argument.)
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