Some tough questions

[Mike]

All,

I have some sincere questions that I'm struggling with.1) What will
happen to those people who have never heard the gospel? Are they
automatically condemned to hell? 2) What about those who are mentally
challenged or are insane and therefore cannot understand (and thus
belief) the gospel? 3) What abut those who have sincerely believed
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life? Can
you please answer each question specifically and point me to Bible
passages that reference or address these questions? I would love to
hear all responses but specifically from Southern Baptists and other
Charismatic Christians.

Thanks,
Mike

[qquito]

Mike: These are very good questions, and they have been asked before by
many.

Different Christians will give you different and conflicting answers,
and each thinks he/she is right. So you won't get a unique and
consistent answer from all Christians to each of the questions.

These questions pose great challenges not only to ordinary Christians,
but to Christian theologians and apologists as well. And these same
questions also prevent people who tend to think critically from
converting to the religion. --Roland

[Mike]

Roland, you are very right. I think very critically and these questions
bother me greatly. It prevents me from reaching "saving faith".

Mike: These are very goodquestions, and they have been asked before by
many.
Different Christians will give you different and conflicting answers,
and each thinks he/she is right. So you won't get a unique and
consistent answer from all Christians to each of thequestions.
Thesequestionspose great challenges not only to ordinary Christians,
but to Christian theologians and apologists as well. And these samequestionsalso prevent people who tend to think critically from
converting to the religion. --Roland

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Post by Mike
Roland, you are very right. I think very critically and these questions
bother me greatly. It prevents me from reaching "saving faith".

"I think very critically"? I think not. Why? Your life doesn't
support
it in this specific instance.

A sports fan? Your favorite team is in the playoffs and their victory
and progression into the final playoff has come down to a single
on-the-field review. Now the video from the TV station shows
evidence clearly in favor of your team. However, after official
review,
the opposing team gains the benefit of the doubt. AND A GREAT
SOUND came forth in protest. Simply put, you're indignant at
an unjust sentencing. Why? You're presupposition, which
everyone has to one degree or another, is that justice must be
served and that there is a degree in its sentencing.

If you got stealing a nickel out of your mothers purse when you
were a boy to buy a soda down at the corner gas station with
the rest of the fellers, you're mother probably just frowned and
scolded you. However, still a nickel out the Oval Office desk
and what sort of conviction will you expect?

The object of hell is that man didn't just error, rather, he
rebelled and he specifically rebelled against the Holy God. As
there is a difference in penalty because there was a difference
in the one offended between your mother and the Office of the
President of the United States, so it is different when you
offend an infinite holy God.

You howl because an injustice resulted in the call of a sports
team while at the same time howl because justice is required
before an infinitely holy God? Now tell me, where is the
critical thinking in all this?

[B.G. Kent]

Post by Mike
All,
I have some sincere questions that I'm struggling with.1) What will
happen to those people who have never heard the gospel? Are they
automatically condemned to hell?

B - No because hell is something you create yourself...if you believe in
it....you live in it.


2) What about those who are mentally

Post by Mike
challenged or are insane and therefore cannot understand (and thus
belief) the gospel?

B - No problem...they will go to heaven.


3) What abut those who have sincerely believed

Post by Mike
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life? Can
you please answer each question specifically and point me to Bible
passages that reference or address these questions? I would love to
hear all responses but specifically from Southern Baptists and other
Charismatic Christians.

B - Sorry can't point to specific Bible passages because I don't have it
at my elbow....I don't feel like finding them and because God is already
telling me from within.

Post by Mike
Thanks,
Mike

B - Totally my own opinion based on what I believe is Gods Guidance.
Brenda

[Mike]

Interesting responses. If God is something relative that everyone can
define in their own way, then is He really God? That's a very risky
opinion to hold. Whether we like it or not, there are absolutes. You
can tell all yourself that you're not going to die but you will,
whether you like it or not!

Post by Mike
3) What abut those who have sincerely believed

Post by Mike
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life? Can
you please answer each question specifically and point me to Bible
passages that reference or address thesequestions? I would love to
hear all responses but specifically from Southern Baptists and other
Charismatic Christians.B - Sorry can't point to specific Bible passages because I don't have it

at my elbow....I don't feel like finding them and because God is already
telling me from within.

Post by Mike
Thanks,
MikeB - Totally my own opinion based on what I believe is Gods Guidance.

Brenda

[gilgames]

<<
Interesting responses. If God is something relative that everyone can
define in their own way, then is He really God?
Leave out the word 'relative' and change the word 'define' in the above
sentence with 'understand', and you get what God really is: the
Absolutum above the relative, the partial.

God is what everyone can understand in their own way.

[B.G. Kent]

Post by Mike
opinion to hold. Whether we like it or not, there are absolutes. You

B - Says who?
Are you that which says whether there are absolutes or does God?

Blessings
Bren

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Post by gilgames
<<
God is what everyone can understand in their own way.

What? No! God is what God is, regardless of what you or I
have come to believe of Him. His reality is not based on what
His creatures come to understand of Him. That is determinism.
God is not determined. Rather, He determines what is.
Pure relativism is what you are left with.

[gilgames]

<<
What? No! God is what God is,
yes. But we are partial, and we are not able to understand Him as He is.

[* irenic *]

Post by Mike
I have some sincere questions that I'm struggling with.1) What will
happen to those people who have never heard the gospel? Are they
automatically condemned to hell?

No.

2) What about those who are mentally

Post by Mike
challenged or are insane and therefore cannot understand (and thus
belief) the gospel?

No. Any other idea is in the category of 'Your God is my devil.'

3) What abut those who have sincerely believed

Post by Mike
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life? Can
you please answer each question specifically and point me to Bible
passages that reference or address these questions?

No. Read Romans 1 & 2 slowly, and look at these articles under the topic of
'Universalism' (all the relevant scriptures are there) -
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/catalog/keyword/u-2.htm

PS. I'm not a universalist, but I wouldn't be surprised if God is...

Post by Mike
I would love to
hear all responses but specifically from Southern Baptists and other
Charismatic Christians.

I've conducted evangelistic 'crusades' (when they were so-called) for
Southern Baptists, and was senior pastor of a 'charismatic' Baptist church
in Australia. Zat OK?

Post by Mike
Thanks,
Mike

[Mike]

Rowland,

Post by * irenic *

I have some sincerequestionsthat I'm struggling with.1) What will
happen to those people who have never heard the gospel? Are they
automatically condemned to hell?No.

Interesting responses. According to your responses, many will be saved.
However, the bible clearly says few will be saved. How do you reconcile
that?

Post by * irenic *

I would love to
hear all responses but specifically from Southern Baptists and other
Charismatic Christians.I've conducted evangelistic 'crusades' (when they were so-called) for

Southern Baptists, and was senior pastor of a 'charismatic' Baptist church
in Australia. Zat OK?

You were a senior pastor of a 'charismatic ' Baptist church? What
happened?
"Zat OK?"- what do you mean?

[* irenic *]

Post by Mike
Rowland,

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Post by Mike
Interesting responses. According to your responses, many will be saved.
However, the bible clearly says few will be saved. How do you reconcile
that?

Getting to heaven is a fairly modern synonymous expression with 'being
saved'... Read Brian McLaren's new book on Jesus for some wisdom on this
(also see http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/4815.htm )
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Post by Mike
You were a senior pastor of a 'charismatic ' Baptist church? What
happened?

Grew to 1200, 25 on the payroll, and I was called to a wider ministry rather
than building my own kingdom :-) ... the story's being written on our
website... (That church has since grown to 4,000, still the largest in
Australia, if that's important - which it probably isn't :-)

Post by Mike
"Zat OK?"- what do you mean?

Slang for 'Is that OK' - OK?

[r***@yahoo.com]

Post by Mike
3) What abut those who have sincerely believed
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life?

Just curious, but you singled out passive muslims, and the answers so
far say that they will be going to heaven based [according to your
question] on the depth of their sincerity. It's important to note
that the reason given here is not their conduct according to some
abstract code of conduct, it is sincerity of belief.

But what about the hardline muslims that are willing to use terror.
They to seem to believe sincerely. They are trying to live good
"relative to what they understand", so presumably several of the
posters would admit them into heaven as well. Or at least not condemn
them to hell.

I'm not sure though, that is what they intend. I'm betting they
have a code of conduct in mind, rather than sincere adherence to just
any set of ideals.
If sincere adherence to any set of ideals is the indicator of what gets
you into heaven, then [for a difficult example] racists that carry out
their ideals to the fullest are the most sincere adherents and
therefore more likely to get to heaven. After all if you sincerely
believe X people are devils and you do your best to keep them down, or
better yet, exterminate them, then you have acted sincerely and tried
to live a good [at least relative to what you understand] life.
If sincerity is the key, then it's not important what you are sincere
about, as long as you are sincere about it.

But if it's not really sincerity of belief that is at issue, then
what is?
I doubt either of the posters would say sincere pedophiles will be
rewarded. Or sincere racists. Or people that sincerely want to reduce
world overcrowding through mass murder.
My guess again is that there is some particular code of conduct they
have in mind that allows entrance to heaven, not sincerity per se. Now
WHAT, do they think, is the code of conduct?

Or is it something else....
Perhaps if we can establish how one gets to heaven, then we can answer
the specific examples.

[Bob]

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Post by Mike
3) What abut those who have sincerely believed
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life?

Just curious, but you singled out passive muslims, and the answers so
far say that they will be going to heaven based [according to your
question] on the depth of their sincerity. It's important to note
that the reason given here is not their conduct according to some
abstract code of conduct, it is sincerity of belief.
But what about the hardline muslims that are willing to use terror.
They to seem to believe sincerely. They are trying to live good
"relative to what they understand", so presumably several of the
posters would admit them into heaven as well. Or at least not condemn
them to hell.
I'm not sure though, that is what they intend. I'm betting they
have a code of conduct in mind, rather than sincere adherence to just
any set of ideals.

I admit I'm out of my element here, but from what I understand, I'll
express an opinion.
If I understand correctly, Muslims believe in God but they follow the
teachings of the prophet Mohammed. It is the teachings of the prophet
that set their code of conduct, but God that sets their ideals. Then
there is a different sect that believe no teachings are required - God
will explain everything to those who desire to know. (Similar to some
freethinking Christians). Then some who's beliefs are totally
different from the mainstream. I see the muslim religion as fractured
as the numerous Christian religions, no better or no worse until you
get to the fanatics. So why shouldn't they have the same chance of
getting to paradise/heaven as we Christians?
Bob

[Mike]

Good points in your responses. So I guess "sincerity" is definitely
not the key (or only key) to Heaven because like you said, we can be
sincere about really bad things. But like you said, what really
establishes how one gets into Heaven? Well, if you read the bible, the
only way is faith in Jesus. And that's why I'm struggling with my
questions (and my faith).

...

Post by r***@yahoo.com
If sincere adherence to any set of ideals is the indicator of what gets
you into heaven, then [for a difficult example] racists that carry out
their ideals to the fullest are the most sincere adherents and
therefore more likely to get to heaven. After all if you sincerely
believe X people are devils and you do your best to keep them down, or
better yet, exterminate them, then you have acted sincerely and tried
to live a good [at least relative to what you understand] life.
If sincerity is the key, then it's not important what you are sincere
about, as long as you are sincere about it.

...

Post by r***@yahoo.com
My guess again is that there is some particular code of conduct they
have in mind that allows entrance to heaven, not sincerity per se. Now
WHAT, do they think, is the code of conduct?
Or is it something else....
Perhaps if we can establish how one gets to heaven, then we can answer
the specific examples.

[Mike]

Bob,

Post by Bob
get to the fanatics. So why shouldn't they have the same chance of
getting to paradise/heaven as we Christians?

Because Jesus said He's the only way to the Father (and thus to
Heaven). He's very clear about this; there's no other way.

[B.G. Kent]

Post by Mike
Bob,

Post by Bob
get to the fanatics. So why shouldn't they have the same chance of
getting to paradise/heaven as we Christians?

Because Jesus said He's the only way to the Father (and thus to
Heaven). He's very clear about this; there's no other way.

B - How do you know that he was talking about the egoic "I am" or the
non-egoic "I am" ? I take the latter..which means that the Christened part
of all of us...that spark of Christ within us all is the way.
I.M.O

Blessings
Bren




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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not
believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in
your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the
authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions
because they have been handed down for many generations. But after
observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with
reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then
accept it and live up to it"
- Siddhartha Gautama -

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Post by Mike
Good points in your responses. So I guess "sincerity" is definitely
not the key (or only key) to Heaven because like you said, we can be
sincere about really bad things. But like you said, what really
establishes how one gets into Heaven? Well, if you read the bible, the
only way is faith in Jesus. And that's why I'm struggling with my
questions (and my faith).

Faith in Jesus is needed, but why is that?
There is a reason why we are excluded from heaven in the first place.
And there is a reason why we must have faith in Jesus.
I'm kind of assuming you know the answers to these, but if you could,
what is it that you believe about this...


For what it's worth, I attend a Calvary Chapel, which is a
non-denominational protestant church. We would I suppose be pretty
close to the type of people you are looking for answers from.

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by B.G. Kent
B - How do you know that he was talking about the egoic "I am" or the
non-egoic "I am" ? I take the latter..which means that the Christened part
of all of us...that spark of Christ within us all is the way.
I.M.O

Easily answered by any of a number of scriptural references but
only one is needed.

Rom. 10:2-3 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but
not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God's
righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject
themselves to the righteousness of God.


True faith rests upon true knowledge. Have an incorrect knowledge and
you have an incorrect object in which you place your faith. You cross
the
street with on coming traffic based upon a degree of knowledge of the
fact that cars have braking systems. Now, if you stepped out in front
of
one of those cars that are manufactored for racing down hills, you'd
be run over because they don't have brakes. You're faith would have
failed you because you had an incorrect understanding of the facts.
Equally so, if you do not prescribe to the facts granted to us by God
Himself in the Christian scriptures, then you have a faith which
opperates
on false knowledge and will, in the end, get you run over at the time
of final judgment.

Simply put, as I have several time points pointed out to you, you do
not
live consistently to your presuppositions. You live a lie. You may
have
a "zeal for God," but that zeal is based on false notions. Idolatry
takes
place in the mind first. This is why Paul exhorts the Roman's in ch 12
to be "transfigured by the renewing of your minds" by conforming to
the revelation given in the Scriptures, not by the traditions and
reasonings
of men, even if they are well intended.

[suneejan]

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Post by Mike
Good points in your responses. So I guess "sincerity" is definitely
not the key (or only key) to Heaven because like you said, we can be
sincere about really bad things. But like you said, what really
establishes how one gets into Heaven? Well, if you read the bible, the
only way is faith in Jesus. And that's why I'm struggling with my
questions (and my faith).

Faith in Jesus is needed, but why is that?
There is a reason why we are excluded from heaven in the first place.
And there is a reason why we must have faith in Jesus.
I'm kind of assuming you know the answers to these, but if you could,
what is it that you believe about this...
One needs to accept Christ as theor personal savior to get to heaven . For everyone is a sinner Romans 3:23 and eternal life is thru what Christ did on the cross..It is a gift from God Romans 6:23 One needs the faith to act on these verses and trust God.

[B.G. Kent]

Post by r***@yahoo.com
One needs to accept Christ as theor personal savior to get to heaven . For everyone is a sinner Romans 3:23 and eternal life is thru what Christ did on the cross..It is a gift from God Romans 6:23 One needs the faith to act on these verses and trust God.

B - Did Jesus say this? and if he did....how do you know? were you there?

Bren

[B.G. Kent]

Post by l***@hotmail.com

Post by B.G. Kent
B - How do you know that he was talking about the egoic "I am" or the
non-egoic "I am" ? I take the latter..which means that the Christened part
of all of us...that spark of Christ within us all is the way.
I.M.O

Easily answered by any of a number of scriptural references but
only one is needed.

B - all of those references and quotes do not prove that this is what
Jesus was speaking of but are your own interps of a book.

Bren

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by Mike
All,
I have some sincere questions that I'm struggling with.1) What will
happen to those people who have never heard the gospel? Are they
automatically condemned to hell? 2) What about those who are mentally
challenged or are insane and therefore cannot understand (and thus
belief) the gospel? 3) What abut those who have sincerely believed
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life? Can
you please answer each question specifically and point me to Bible
passages that reference or address these questions? I would love to
hear all responses but specifically from Southern Baptists and other
Charismatic Christians.

"other Charismatic Christians?" Didn't know that SB were!

To get sound answers to your questions, read "Hell Under Fire."
Simply the best book I've ever read on the subject.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find/396160760?Ntk=title&Ntt=hell+under+fire&action=Search&N=0&Ne=0&event=ESRCN&nav_search=1&cms=1

[suneejan]

Post by Mike
All,
I have some sincere questions that I'm struggling with.1) What will
happen to those people who have never heard the gospel? Are they
automatically condemned to hell?

Titus 2:11 says that God reveals the plan of salvation to all. God
gives everyone a choice on who to follow: God or Satan.



2) What about those who are mentally

Post by Mike
challenged or are insane and therefore cannot understand (and thus
belief) the gospel?

Wtih those who are mentally challenged, I believe that God will judge
them according to their ability to understand right from wrong, good
from evil. I know that God will be fair in his judgements and that he
will judge the insane with fairness. Some insanity is the devil's grip
on a person and that person needs a lot of prayer .

3) What abut those who have sincerely believed

Post by Mike
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life?

Tryinng to be good will not get one into heaven. To get to heaven a
person needs to accept Christ as their savior and know that he died on
the cross for their sin...Romans 6:23. Just because a person bellongs
and goes to a christian church does not allow them to enter tthe
kingdom of heaven. I'm afraid that there are a lot of people that goes
to church, serve in church, do good things but will go to hell because
trhey haven't accepted Christ as their personal savior.
Remember that Jesus is not religious. It is people's religion that puts
unfair burdens on people. There are a lot of Muslims who do read the
Bible, It is a job for true christians to witness to everyone no matter
what religion or denmination they are.

God will be fair in his judgements!


Can

Post by Mike
you please answer each question specifically and point me to Bible
passages that reference or address these questions? I would love to
hear all responses but specifically from Southern Baptists and other
Charismatic Christians.
Thanks,
Mike

[shegeek72]

Post by Mike
I have some sincere questions that I'm struggling with.1) What will
happen to those people who have never heard the gospel? Are they
automatically condemned to hell?

IMO, of course not. First of all, I don't think there is a hell (though
there were times in the past when I felt like my life was a living
hell). I think at death we have a self-judgement; God him/herself is
not judgmental (how could an all-loving God be?).

Post by Mike
2) What about those who are mentally
challenged or are insane and therefore cannot understand (and thus
belief) the gospel?

I've found some mentally-challenged people to be more God-like than
most normal humans.

Post by Mike
3) What abut those who have sincerely believed
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life?

There's the crux - you reap what you sow. If one is bad or evil in the
3D world, they will (hopefully) have some self-reckoning to do [and a
lot of time to think about it!] when they pass on.

In my view it goes like this: God is the head honcho and everything
(Jesus, other religions, spiritual masters, etc) falls underneath. So
one can reach heaven, sainthood, nirvana or just a kind, loving life
through many roads - though having a direct line to the Big Guy is
preferable. :)
--
"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."
~Epictetus

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by shegeek72

Post by Mike
I have some sincere questions that I'm struggling with.1) What will
happen to those people who have never heard the gospel? Are they
automatically condemned to hell?

IMO, of course not.

And that is all it is, an opinion. And you know what they say
about opinions......

Post by shegeek72
First of all, I don't think there is a hell

Again, opinion. There is no reasoned evidence provided for this
opinion. Rather, it is presumed and then hoped for.

Post by shegeek72
I think at death we have a self-judgement; God him/herself is
not judgmental (how could an all-loving God be?).

Because His "love" does have boundries. No one uses the
theological discriptive, "omnilove" as they do omnipotent. Why
is that? Because God's love does not circumscribe Him The
Biblical dictum is not "Love is God," it is emphatically, "God
is love." Can you not distinquish the quantitative distinction
between two statement? The Scriptures declare the perfection
of *holiness* by the thrice reflection, "Holy, holy, holy, LORD
God, Almighty." He is a God of perfect justice. This is the
whole undercurrent of the scriptures. This is the basic implication
of Adam and Eve being ushered out of the garden. This is
the basic implication of Noah's flood. This is the basic implication
of Sodom and Gomorrah. God's justice will not be mocked. He
does judge sin "though some think Him slow". Rom 1:24, 26, 28
declare that judgments are meeted out to the individual today
both actively and passively.

You are self-serving and self-deluded if you think that the
Umpire of the Universe isn't going to call the game according
to the rules _which have been made known.

Rom. 1:18-20

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness
and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God
made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His
invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been
clearly seen, being understood through what has been made,
so_that_they_are_without_excuse.

Rom. 3:19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those
who are under the Law, that every_mouth_may_be_closed, and all the
world may become accountable to God;

Post by shegeek72
In my view it goes like this: God is the head honcho and everything
(Jesus, other religions, spiritual masters, etc) falls underneath.

Here you go again setting yourself up as the final authoritative. Where
is you authority that justifies such a statement? Where is the basis
for your view? You are definately not a Christian so why do you bother
to come into this Christian NG and sputter your utterly non-Christian
opinions?

Post by shegeek72
So
one can reach heaven, sainthood, nirvana or just a kind, loving life
through many roads - though having a direct line to the Big Guy is
preferable. :)
--

This is the presupposition of all the religions of the world ever since
the fall of man. It's exactly what Adam and Eve did. They cut leaves
and tried, hoped to cover their nakedness from one another and
from God. But then why did they hide when God actually came into
their presence? Because the "emperor had no clothes." And
neither do you. You are still there standing naked in your sin and
your pride. You think it is up to you to "reach heaven, sainthood,
nirvana". But the Genesis record is that God required blood to be
shed and that it was He who performed the sacrifice. Only then
were Adam and Eve covered literally and typically. Then was given
the promise of The coming Savior who would die and cover all
who believed with His blood. The entire OT record speaks of this
hope. The seven "I AM's" of John's gospel all attest to this fact.

Acts 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I
do to be saved?"
Acts 16:31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be
saved, you and your household."

Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other
name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be
saved."

You either accept Christianity as it is presented in the Bible
or you reject it entirely. There is no synthesis of things. As has
been pointed out repeatedly, the Greek in the verse

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the
life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.

can make no more emphatic declaration that there is but one
way and no other way offered to men by God, except through
exclussive belief in the cross work of Jesus as the Redeemer
of YHVH. Fail at this point and you dash yourself on the Rock
which cannot be broken. Deny this truth and you evidence that
you yet remain in your sin by willful pride and arrogance. To
become a true believer one must humble him/herself and accept
what God has declared, not what man pretends inorder that he/she
can go on living being their own final reference point.

[B.G. Kent]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 ***@hotmail.com wrote:

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Post by l***@hotmail.com

Post by shegeek72
First of all, I don't think there is a hell

Again, opinion. There is no reasoned evidence provided for this
opinion. Rather, it is presumed and then hoped for.

Post by shegeek72
I think at death we have a self-judgement; God him/herself is
not judgmental (how could an all-loving God be?).

Because His "love" does have boundries. No one uses the
theological discriptive, "omnilove" as they do omnipotent. Why

B - To quote Isenders who puts down my usage of this tact...but then uses
it himself...... "and that is all it is, an opinion. And you know what
they say about opinions...

If it was not so sad it would be quite funny.....oh dear...I'll laugh
anyway.

Bren

[Burkladies]

1]I think that depends on your interpetations. There are many ways of
interpreting gospels. 2]That is bewteen them and Christ and hopefully
they are locked up somewhere. So the rest of us who can understand
don't get hurt by them. 3]What abut those who have sincerely believed

Post by Mike
(they were born into it) in other religions (like passive Muslims) and
have tried to live a good (relative to what they understand) life? Just find Christ. Don't let go and always listen 4 the Holy Spirit.