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Did I have an apparition?
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bill
2007-07-20 03:29:30 UTC
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I believe that I experienced an apparition about 25 years ago however
it seemed to have no apparent religious connotation.

Bill
B.G. Kent
2007-07-22 23:12:33 UTC
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Post by bill
I believe that I experienced an apparition about 25 years ago however
it seemed to have no apparent religious connotation.
Bill
B - Oh do tell Bill!

I saw a sign from either my father or one of my angels just after my
father died.

Bren
Old George down on the bayou
2007-07-27 01:47:14 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
Post by bill
I believe that I experienced an apparition about 25 years ago however
it seemed to have no apparent religious connotation.
Bill
B - Oh do tell Bill!
I saw a sign from either my father or one of my angels just after my
father died.
Bren
A few years ago I was in the business district of a city. I was
walking behind a fellow, when suddenly he turned into a drug store.
B.G. Kent
2007-07-23 00:07:18 UTC
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Post by bill
I believe that I experienced an apparition about 25 years ago however
it seemed to have no apparent religious connotation.
Bill
B - Oh do tell Bill!

I saw a sign from either my father or one of my angels just after my
father died.

Bren
bill
2007-07-23 23:45:54 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
Post by bill
I believe that I experienced an apparition about 25 years ago however
it seemed to have no apparent religious connotation.
Bill
B - Oh do tell Bill!
I saw a sign from either my father or one of my angels just after my
father died.
Bren
I was in bed one evening reading a book in our room at the rear of our
hose when it suddenly seemed that the entire front section of the
house was no longer there and I could see two people standing on the
council footpath about five metres away from me wearing full length
coats and illuminated by a street lamp.

I 'heard' one them ask if I would be prepared to work with them and
when I replied "yes" the other one 'said' "We will be in touch with
you."

I had minimal interest in, or knowledge of, physics and mathematics
yet two weeks later my son, Glenn, showed me an article in a science
magazine that dealt with a method, based on Albert Einstein's special
theory of relativity, of obtaining time travel - which I also had very
little interest in and did not accept.

Glenn could not explain why he gave me this magazine.

The article detailed special theory's concepts of time dilation and
length contraction but when I asked Glenn to explain these concepts
to me he, being aware of my gross ignorance in mathematics, insisted
that t would take too long so I went 'back to school' at the local
library where I found, to my surprise, that various academically
qualified authors of science books totally disagreed with each other
on the subject of time dilation.

In my ignorance I had been of the opinion that physics, being based on
'irrefutable' mathematical equations, was an 'exact' science and could
not understand why they would disagree with each other.

Over the ensuing years I made several findings mainly as the result of
serendipitous events one of which extended over a period of five years
but had a window of opportunity of just a few seconds.

Einstein was one of several notables such as Beethoven Mozart and
Edison all of whom insisted that their ideas were not of their own
volition but that they simply appeared in their minds.

I have written a manuscript titled 'Beyond the Light Barrier'
incorporating my findings some of which have been published in
metaphysics magazines and one of them in the prestigious, peer
reviewed, Canadian science journal "Apeiron'.

One of the chapters deals with the topic 'Science Vs Religion' showing
that many physicists seem to be
trying to establish their own theology. In his book 'God and the New
Physics' Paul Davies wrote "In my opinion science offers a surer path
to God than religion."

In his book 'The Matter Myth' Davies wrote that due to the inherent
uncertainty of physics people seem to be turning away from that
subject toward religion however he insists that theologians should not
dabble in questions that lie outside the field of religion but
apparently sees no hypocrisy in scientists dabbling in the field of
theology.

In 1921 Einstein insisted that the time dilation and length
contraction concepts presented in special theory have no application
to reality and if this is correct then special theory should no longer
be considered, as it is, as being the foundation of all modern
physics.

I often think that the apparition I experienced so many years ago was
analogous to Einstein's ideas appearing in his mind and that I am
helping to show that the beliefs held by many scientists that special
theory is sacrosanct have no basis in reality.

A person, a self-admitted atheist, interviewing Paul Davies on tv
stated that whilst he could not understand much of what Davies was
saying he accepted it 'on a basis of faith' yet he would openly
castigate anyone who has the same attitude in relation to religion.


Bill
B.G. Kent
2007-07-25 02:31:56 UTC
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Wow...fantastic Bill. You may be interested in a movie entitled Donnie
Darko...

(deals a lot with time leaps...quantum physics etc....I love it!)

I love this stuff. I would ask Einstein what he meant by "reality"
however...

;)

Blessings
Bren
b***@dodo.com.au
2007-07-30 02:58:16 UTC
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Post by bill
Post by B.G. Kent
Post by bill
I believe that I experienced an apparition about 25 years ago however
it seemed to have no apparent religious connotation.
Bill
B - Oh do tell Bill!
I saw a sign from either my father or one of my angels just after my
father died.
Bren
I was in bed one evening reading a book in our room at the rear of our
hose when it suddenly seemed that the entire front section of the
house was no longer there and I could see two people standing on the
council footpath about five metres away from me wearing full length
coats and illuminated by a street lamp.
I 'heard' one them ask if I would be prepared to work with them and
when I replied "yes" the other one 'said' "We will be in touch with
you."
I had minimal interest in, or knowledge of, physics and mathematics
yet two weeks later my son, Glenn, showed me an article in a science
magazine that dealt with a method, based on Albert Einstein's special
theory of relativity, of obtaining time travel - which I also had very
little interest in and did not accept.
Glenn could not explain why he gave me this magazine.
The article detailed special theory's concepts of time dilation and
length contraction but when I asked Glenn to explain these concepts
to me he, being aware of my gross ignorance in mathematics, insisted
that t would take too long so I went 'back to school' at the local
library where I found, to my surprise, that various academically
qualified authors of science books totally disagreed with each other
on the subject of time dilation.
In my ignorance I had been of the opinion that physics, being based on
'irrefutable' mathematical equations, was an 'exact' science and could
not understand why they would disagree with each other.
Over the ensuing years I made several findings mainly as the result of
serendipitous events one of which extended over a period of five years
but had a window of opportunity of just a few seconds.
Einstein was one of several notables such as Beethoven Mozart and
Edison all of whom insisted that their ideas were not of their own
volition but that they simply appeared in their minds.
I have written a manuscript titled 'Beyond the Light Barrier'
incorporating my findings some of which have been published in
metaphysics magazines and one of them in the prestigious, peer
reviewed, Canadian science journal "Apeiron'.
One of the chapters deals with the topic 'Science Vs Religion' showing
that many physicists seem to be
trying to establish their own theology. In his book 'God and the New
Physics' Paul Davies wrote "In my opinion science offers a surer path
to God than religion."
In his book 'The Matter Myth' Davies wrote that due to the inherent
uncertainty of physics people seem to be turning away from that
subject toward religion however he insists that theologians should not
dabble in questions that lie outside the field of religion but
apparently sees no hypocrisy in scientists dabbling in the field of
theology.
In 1921 Einstein insisted that the time dilation and length
contraction concepts presented in special theory have no application
to reality and if this is correct then special theory should no longer
be considered, as it is, as being the foundation of all modern
physics.
I often think that the apparition I experienced so many years ago was
analogous to Einstein's ideas appearing in his mind and that I am
helping to show that the beliefs held by many scientists that special
theory is sacrosanct have no basis in reality.
A person, a self-admitted atheist, interviewing Paul Davies on tv
stated that whilst he could not understand much of what Davies was
saying he accepted it 'on a basis of faith' yet he would openly
castigate anyone who has the same attitude in relation to religion.
Bill
Einstein apparently had the ability to visualise his physical theories
in simple ways. Obviously he needed the mathematical ability to then
explain these visualisations in what might be called physical theory.
Now this ability to visualise in this way was a gift. While Einstein
was not religious, he did seem to have a belief that there was an
intelligence behind the universe.

So even the great Einstein was GIVEN his abilities. However he had to
single mindedly apply them.

On the other hand, his visualisations usually came after he had been
pondering a problem for months or years. So they didn't occur in a
vacuum.

St. Paul had what might be called an "apparitional" view of Christ on
the way to Damascus. But it is also likely he had been pondering the
martyrdom of Stephen for some time, when Stephen's face took on the
appearance of an angel, and who claimed He saw the Father and Son in
heaven. Paul, then Saul, had been there, and had in fact guarded
Stephen's clothers. Saul may even have been responsible for Stephen's
arrest. On the road to Damascus he was probably pondering what he'd
seen on Stephen's face, how he died, and wondering about this Christ
figure who had been crucified just a few years before.

In short, in the Biblical sense, there is usually a preparation
period.

I had an apparitional view of my father the night he died. Although
he died at least 10 kilometres away in a suburb called Nundah, and I
was living in a suburb called Yeronga, he appeared in my room. Now I
had no idea he had died, and was not told by human means for another
four days, for the simple reason his body was not found for four days.

However this apparition brought with it certain characteristics which
spoke of judgement. There was also a preparation of twenty years of
constant ridicule and abuse at his hands, broken only by about five
years when we lived apart. Apart from some of the things that were
said, such as "I've come ..." or "I've been sent..." (I forget which,
since it was 28 years ago) "... to apologise for the way I've treated
you" at the very beginning, He finished with this blood curdling
scream at the very end, at which point he simply disappeared. Amongst
his other comments ..."I served the devil. You do too, but you'll
become a Christian" and "I always was doomed. I didn't really have
any choice!" (which I still have trouble coming to grips with). He
did however later say "I was willing".

He also made the unpleasant comment, "You'll be the world's laughing
stock!" (for a season apparently, after which point the critics will
stop laughing rather quickly. Don't ask me what that's about,
although I think I've got some ideas what it probably implies). I
suppose putting this stuff on the internet, which didn't exist in 1979
when he died, is one way to get a worldwide reputation as a religious
nut.

I've had two different opinions from two people I respect in the
religious sense. One was my first pastor, who commented "If that was
sent by the devil, it was for one reason only - to destroy you". On
the other hand, a very spiritual Catholic psychiatrist I go to for
depression, rarely now, said "I've been thinking about what you said.
I think you really did see your father that night". Which would
indicate that my father was sent to apologise for his cruel, stupid,
bad-tempered, vindictive treatment immediately before going to Hell,
if my interpretation is correct. Take your pick - they're the two
responses I've had.

Now in the case of Bill's vision there seems to have been no
preparation, it seems to have no Scriptural warrant, and deals with an
abstruse area of physics in which Bill had no prior experience, or
even training. Einsteins visualisations were more along the lines of
being able to wilfully imagine physical concepts, although he did
concede some of the answers just seemed to pop into his head at a
certain time. As far as I'm concerned, that was our subtle God in
action, giving the answer, while making it appear it came from the
man's own thoughts, so that the critical point in a person's
relationship to God remains faith.

So I can only put Bill's vision down to one of three explanations -
one is that God was allowing him enough insight into a question to
picque his curiousity. Another is that is was pure self induced
imagination, whether deliberately or unintentionally. The third was
that a demonic spirit was setting Bill up for a lot of wasted effort,
and in the end, ridicule.

I suspect the third, but I don't want to destroy Bill's rationale just
in case it was the first. So if I were Bill, I suppose I'd persevere
for the time being, while at the same time remaining well aware he
could be the victim of a spiritual hoax.
shegeek72
2007-08-01 01:13:06 UTC
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Post by b***@dodo.com.au
I suspect the third, but I don't want to destroy Bill's rationale just
in case it was the first. So if I were Bill, I suppose I'd persevere
for the time being, while at the same time remaining well aware he
could be the victim of a spiritual hoax.
I suspect a fourth. He had a genuine paranormal event that lead him on
a study that resulted in his writings being published in a peer-
reviewed, science journal.

I'm often dismayed that some Christians have the concept that such
events can only have two sources, i.e. God or the Devil (I don't
believe such a being exists). Let's look at this logically. If it was
really the devil, then I doubt the result would be Bill's writings
published in a peer-reviewed, science journal; he would have been
laughed at. There would have to be some nefarious result(s).
Otherwise, why would the 'devil' undertake such a complex set of
occurrences?

I'm not saying there aren't negative entities that can appear and
affect us and objects. I believe they are the product of negative, or
evil, thoughts that, over time, can take on a life of their own and
continue to exist by feeding off more negative thought. I've had
enough experiences to know that thought can affect things and people.

I'll give one example. I'm a musician and one day, when I lived on the
Hawaiian island, Kauai (that's known for it's 'mana' or spiritual
energy) after I, and four other fellow musicians had been playing at
one of the musician's home, we took a break and were sitting on
couches in the living room. There was a basketball sitting on the
coffee table in the middle of the couches. Our conversation turned to
the paranormal and mind over matter. Someone suggested, half-jokingly,
that we try to roll the basketball off the table just using thought,
without any physical external force.

Being that musicians tend to be open-minded and try 'crazy' things
like that, we all agreed to attempt it. Someone asked where on the
basketball we should concentrate and we agreed on the point where the
bottom of the basketball touched the table.

In silence, we all focused on the basketball. From my point of view,
this is what happened: after 15 - 20 seconds my vision went white
around the basketball, like a tunnel. Then someone said, "It's going!"
and it rolled off! It didn't start to slowly roll and increase in
speed like if a gust of wind caused it, but rolled straight off.
Besides the windows were closed so we wouldn't disturb the neighbors.

I do have a scientific, if extrapolated, explanation for what took
place. Scientists have proven that the mind can move objects, like a
computer mouse cursor, by the electrical impulses from our brains via
electrodes from the brain connected to a computer. We've known since
radio was invented that weak electrical impulses, or radio frequency
(RF) radiation, can be transmitted through air and picked up, miles
away, by antennas and amplified to produce sounds.

I think something similar took place. The electrical impulses from our
five minds were strong enough to be transmitted through the air the
short distance (we were all sitting about six feet away from the
basketball), and concentrated on the same point, were able to push the
ball of the table. Obviously, it wouldn't have taken much pressure to
roll a basketball off the smooth surface of a coffee table, but as I
said, there was no physical external force and the ball was
stationary.

I don't believe, as some have suggested, it was a prank setup
beforehand by my fellow musicians, that would've required some type of
thin wire, or fishing line, since I was close, and observant, enough
to spot it. It was also suggested that someone moved a carpet
underneath the table with his foot that caused the table to move
enough to roll the ball off. I would've noticed even a slight movement
of the table since I was staring at it with all my attention. Also, if
it was a trick the perpetrators would've probably admitted it and had
a good laugh at our expense.

I believe that what are now considered 'paranormal events' will
eventually be discovered to have scientific causes, as has been
indicated by increased electromagnetic readings during such events,
etc.
bill
2007-08-02 01:28:44 UTC
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Post by b***@dodo.com.au
Einstein apparently had the ability to visualise his physical theories
in simple ways. Obviously he needed the mathematical ability to then
explain these visualisations in what might be called physical theory.
Now this ability to visualise in this way was a gift. While Einstein
was not religious, he did seem to have a belief that there was an
intelligence behind the universe.
So even the great Einstein was GIVEN his abilities. However he had to
single mindedly apply them.
On the other hand, his visualisations usually came after he had been
pondering a problem for months or years. So they didn't occur in a
vacuum.
The visualisation that led to his special theory did occur 'in a
vacuum.'

At the age of 14 Einstein was wandering through a field looking at
sunlight streaming through the branches of trees and daydreaming about
what it would be like to travel through space on a beam of light.
Post by b***@dodo.com.au
Now in the case of Bill's vision there seems to have been no
preparation, it seems to have no Scriptural warrant, and deals with an
abstruse area of physics in which Bill had no prior experience, or
even training. Einsteins visualisations were more along the lines of
being able to wilfully imagine physical concepts, although he did
concede some of the answers just seemed to pop into his head at a
certain time. As far as I'm concerned, that was our subtle God in
action, giving the answer, while making it appear it came from the
man's own thoughts, so that the critical point in a person's
relationship to God remains faith.
So I can only put Bill's vision down to one of three explanations -
one is that God was allowing him enough insight into a question to
picque his curiousity.
In the initial phenomenon there was no insight into 'a question' in
relation to the ensuing research and nothing to pique my curiosity. I
put the matter out of my mind not even associating it with the event
that took place a few weeks later when Glenn gave me that magazine.

It was not until about ten years later when I began to learn about the
attitudes of physicists such as Paul Davies and Stephen Hawking in
relation to their claims regarding the 'superiority' of science-based
access to 'the mind of God' that I related that visualisation.
Post by b***@dodo.com.au
Another is that is was pure self induced
imagination, whether deliberately or unintentionally.
For it to be self induced I would have to have had some belief in
apparitions, which I did not, and if it had been self induced I
believe that it would have included some relationship as to what those
people were referring to - which it did not.
Post by b***@dodo.com.au
The third was
that a demonic spirit was setting Bill up for a lot of wasted effort,
and in the end, ridicule.
I suspect the third, but I don't want to destroy Bill's rationale just
in case it was the first. So if I were Bill, I suppose I'd persevere
for the time being, while at the same time remaining well aware he
could be the victim of a spiritual hoax.
In 1983 I had been on the invalid pension for seven years and had, as
the result of a misdiagnosis by my doctor and my, then, wife's
alcoholism, lost my business and our house in Canberra.

I was in a constantly depressed state however this research kept me
busy and the discoveries I made boosted my feeling of self-worth so
there was no wasted effort however the ridicule from academics
commenced right from the start.

I intend to persevere as long as my mind holds out.


Bill
bill
2007-08-07 03:12:45 UTC
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Post by shegeek72
Post by b***@dodo.com.au
I suspect the third, but I don't want to destroy Bill's rationale just
in case it was the first. So if I were Bill, I suppose I'd persevere
for the time being, while at the same time remaining well aware he
could be the victim of a spiritual hoax.
I suspect a fourth. He had a genuine paranormal event that lead him on
a study that resulted in his writings being published in a peer-
reviewed, science journal.
In addition, a National TV station has agreed to broadcast a
documentary version of my manuscript on the proviso that I can locate
a production company whereupon that station will organise funding for
same.
Post by shegeek72
I believe that what are now considered 'paranormal events' will
eventually be discovered to have scientific causes, as has been
indicated by increased electromagnetic readings during such events,
etc.
One section of my manuscript deals with the fraudulent obtention of
public funding for projects such as allocating 20 billion dollars for
satellites to find Einstein's theoretical gravity waves. Our suggested
alternate method, at a cost of around $10,000, has been ignored due to
the fact that participation in the vastly more expensive project will
allow for considerable salaries over an extended period and provide
greater prestige.

Einstein insisted that we only use about 10% of our mind. Funding that
is squandered on physics research should be applied to research that
will be of benefit to the nations.

In 1991 I came up with a possible method of generating nuclear fusion
based on an aspect of Einstein's general theory of relativity and was
the result of an awareness that took place when I, too, was looking at
sunlight streaming through trees.

In his 1905 special theory Einstein insisted that the speed of light
is constant but in his 1916 general theory he recanted this law and
was resultantly castigated by his colleagues. His argument was ignored
to the extent that many physicists are, seemingly, not even aware of
same.


Bill
B.G. Kent
2007-08-07 03:39:21 UTC
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Post by bill
I was in a constantly depressed state however this research kept me
busy and the discoveries I made boosted my feeling of self-worth so
there was no wasted effort however the ridicule from academics
commenced right from the start.
I intend to persevere as long as my mind holds out.
Bill
Stay strong my friend.

blessings
Bren
B.G. Kent
2007-08-07 03:39:21 UTC
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Post by shegeek72
I believe that what are now considered 'paranormal events' will
eventually be discovered to have scientific causes, as has been
indicated by increased electromagnetic readings during such events,
etc.
B - thus goes the poetry of the world. I'm a fan of science and
spirituality....both where truth is concerned however I wonder at our need
to make things have a scientific cause...it's as if many of us make
science "our god" in a sense. Didn't even the King James Bible (not that I
believe in everything in it ) say that we were made in Gods image? so
moving a ball off a table with our minds should not be looked at as
remarkable but the reality of what we are. Can anything ever just be the
sacred
unknowable? When the flea totally explains the dog...will it make just one
more concrete belief structure that we will defend to our last breath in
the face of some new bit of info that says different?
I'm just musing is all...not naysaying or yaysaying...but just thinking
aloud.

Love Bren

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