Poll shows U.S. majority favors gay civil unions

[shegeek72]

Poll shows U.S. majority favors gay civil unions - published Friday,
August 4, 2006

A national poll released Thursday shows that despite media coverage
focused on the nation's polarization, most Americans' views on gay
rights issues are actually somewhere in the middle.

The poll, conducted by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center, was
intended to shed some light on what the center called "talk of 'culture
wars' --and the high visibility of activist groups on both sides of the
cultural divide."

The poll studied Americans' views on the most divisive issues of the
day: stem cell research, abortion, and gay rights. And while voters did
lean liberally on the stem cell issue and hovered around the middle on
abortion, the poll found that 56 percent of respondents oppose same-sex
marriage and 52 percent oppose adoption rights for gays.

But interestingly, almost the same number -- 54 percent --said they are
in favor of the idea of civil unions. The poll also found no consensus
among either supporters or opponents over how far to go to press their
positions. Just a slight majority of same-sex marriage opponents
actually favor amending the U.S. Constitution to ban it.

Similarly, only 51 percent of those who favor equal marriage rights say
supporters should "push hard" to make it legal as soon as possible,
with almost four in 10 urging caution to avoid animosity.

All the poll numbers were relatively consistent with polls taken in
recent years -- except in the area of the nature of homosexuality. In
2003, 42 percent of respondents said that they felt homosexuality
cannot be changed. Just three years later, that number has climbed a
full seven points to 49 percent. (Sirius OutQ News)

Tara

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by shegeek72
Poll shows U.S. majority favors gay civil unions - published Friday,
August 4, 2006

But this just illustrates yet again that the majority is not always right.

Remember: if it had been up to the _majority_, we would not have fought the War
for Independence, and we might still be part of the British Empire. For at the
crucial time, it was not the majority, but a few farsighted leaders who lead the
drive for total independence from Britain.

[snip]

[shegeek72]

Post by Matthew Johnson
But this just illustrates yet again that the majority is not always right.

Of course, if the poll's results reflected your beliefs the majority
would be right.

Tara

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by shegeek72

Post by Matthew Johnson
But this just illustrates yet again that the majority is not always right.

Of course, if the poll's results reflected your beliefs the majority
would be right.

Well, that was a pointless comment, completely worthless as a response.
It is not even relevant.

Do you _practice_ long and hard to come up with such pointlessness?

[zach]

Post by shegeek72

Post by Matthew Johnson
But this just illustrates yet again that the majority is not always right.

Of course, if the poll's results reflected your beliefs the majority
would be right.

Logically, yes, but not _because_ they belong to the majority.

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by shegeek72
Poll shows U.S. majority favors gay civil unions - published Friday,
August 4, 2006
A national poll released Thursday shows that despite media coverage
focused on the nation's polarization, most Americans' views on gay
rights issues are actually somewhere in the middle.

Did this poll ask, straight forward, the question whether or not one
believed in gay marriage at all? Most Americans do not cater to the
homosexual life style. But so what?

Let us suppose that everyone who ever lived on the face of the
earth believed that the homosexual life style was permissable. What,
in ethical terms, do end up with? You only end up with a sociological
statistical average. Eh? That is, a finite, relative norm. It does
not
constitute anything amounting to a transcendental ethic. Only God
can put forth anything other than a sociologically based ethic.

Again, I ask, "So what?" This is why one man can stand against
the multitude of the masses with simply his Bible in hand, reading,
"Thus saith the Lord." As Luther wrote, "One little word will fall
him."

[B.G. Kent]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 ***@hotmail.com wrote:

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Post by l***@hotmail.com
constitute anything amounting to a transcendental ethic. Only God
can put forth anything other than a sociologically based ethic.

B - Yes Isender...GOD....not the egoic Isender nor the egoic Tara nor the
egoic Brenda....GOD. Yes you may be in accordance with what YOU think the
Bible wants...but that does not mean you are in accordance with what the
Bible is about or what God is about. You must learn the difference.

Bigotry is not devotion and it does not fool everyone.

I.M.O
Bren

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by B.G. Kent
B - Yes Isender...GOD....not the egoic Isender nor the egoic Tara nor the
egoic Brenda....GOD. Yes you may be in accordance with what YOU think the
Bible wants...but that does not mean you are in accordance with what the
Bible is about or what God is about. You must learn the difference.

When are you ever going to actually respond point-counter-point to what
was written? All we ever get from you is opinions. If you will do a
search under a thread heading including "Arsenokoitai" you will see
that I have actually taken the time to study at length what the Bible
actually does say on the subject. I've also posted on what the OT
Apocrypha & Pseudepigrapha teach concerning sodomy. I have posted
exegetical papers on homosexuality in the OT, in the NT and especially
in Rom 1:24-32.

Bren, dear, I fear to point you to the truth, but it is you who must
"learn the difference" between "wishing a thing true" and the actual
teaching of Scripture.

Oh ya, that reminds me. You posted some barb about me being too loyal
to "a book" i.e. the bible. If I have time this weekend, I'm going to
write to a new thread giving answer to your unreasoned naivette.

[b***@juno.com]

Post by shegeek72
All the poll numbers were relatively consistent with polls taken in
recent years -- except in the area of the nature of homosexuality. In
2003, 42 percent of respondents said that they felt homosexuality
cannot be changed. Just three years later, that number has climbed a
full seven points to 49 percent. (Sirius OutQ News)

In other words, Americans just got 7 percent stupider. They have
apparently been watching the idiot tube too much and they believe
whatever the dullards tell them on that newfangled telly vision.

Anne Heche changed. I have also met ex-gays. And studies of identical
twins have shown that if one twin is gay, the other is gay only 20
percent of the time. Thus, gayness is based upon early childhood
development factors, and is reversible.

If you say the lie over and over, the dim-witten American public starts
to believe it. I pity the day when the liberals impose their lies about
gayness upon our country by using liberal judges. It probably won't
take too long. And then the Muslims will hate us even more, and the
Christians in Africa will be even more ashamed of what western
"Christians" are doing.

[B.G. Kent]

Post by l***@hotmail.com

Post by B.G. Kent
B - Yes Isender...GOD....not the egoic Isender nor the egoic Tara nor the
egoic Brenda....GOD. Yes you may be in accordance with what YOU think the
Bible wants...but that does not mean you are in accordance with what the
Bible is about or what God is about. You must learn the difference.

When are you ever going to actually respond point-counter-point to what
was written? All we ever get from you is opinions.

B - When are you going to stop speaking as if you have the only way..the
only interp and the only truth? I don't have to answer the way you like my
friend. You don't have to read my posts at all. No one is twisting your
arm to read what I say. I hate to inform you but what you say is opinion
as well.




If you will do a

Post by l***@hotmail.com
search under a thread heading including "Arsenokoitai" you will see
that I have actually taken the time to study at length what the Bible
actually does say on the subject. I've also posted on what the OT
Apocrypha & Pseudepigrapha teach concerning sodomy. I have posted
exegetical papers on homosexuality in the OT, in the NT and especially
in Rom 1:24-32.

B - point? So you looked at something and put down what you thought about
it. Good for you....so do I. Difference is...I don't think I am "it" and
that everything I write is the only way and that all must bow to me.

Post by l***@hotmail.com
Bren, dear, I fear to point you to the truth, but it is you who must
"learn the difference" between "wishing a thing true" and the actual
teaching of Scripture.

B - My dear I could make a remark about someone who thinks highly of
himself....who thinks he knows it all....but I won't.

Post by l***@hotmail.com
Oh ya, that reminds me. You posted some barb about me being too loyal
to "a book" i.e. the bible. If I have time this weekend, I'm going to
write to a new thread giving answer to your unreasoned naivette.

B - KNock yourself out my friend...oh and the word is naivete...but then
I'm not as smart as you so what do I know?

;)

Bren the very intelligent moron.