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How to prove that God exists,
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b***@juno.com
2006-07-17 17:05:08 UTC
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Christianity is the very FOUNDATION of science. Science could never
have arisen in any other matrix than Christianity.

Science is mono-theistic in nature. I have so many reasons for this,
that I can discuss if you are interested. But the most basic idea is
this:

Why are there any scientific laws whatsoever? Scientific laws
themselves need to be explained. Why is there such a thing as
gravitation? Why is there such a thing as any scientific law anywhere?
Why does matter exist? Why do material particles exhibit
rational/scientifically testable behavior?

Imagine if there was an engineer who studied a new factory. The
engineer learns that everything in the factory is driven by two
rotating shafts coming out of the wall. Then, the engineer decides that
the rotating shafts coming out of the wall need no explanation. "They
are just there," says the engineer. "I feel no need to explain them."

Imagine if there was an atheist who studied the universe. The atheist
learns that everything in the universe is driven by gravitation and
other scientific laws. Then, the atheist decides that the scientific
laws need no explanation. "They are just there," says the atheist. "I
feel no need to explain them."

Imagine if you found a book lying on a table. You start to read it, and
you are moved to tears by its beauty. You also notice that the book is
written according to laws of grammar and spelling. The book was written
ACCORDING to the laws of grammar and spelling........ but was the book
written BY these laws and spelling, with no author required?

Imagine if you found a universe lying upon an infinite void. You start
to study it, and you are moved to tears by its beauty. You also notice
that the universe is written according to laws of gravitation and other
scientific laws. The universe was written ACCORDING to the laws of
gravitation and other scientific laws........ but was the universe
written BY these scientific laws, with no author required?

BOTH THE BOOK AND THE UNIVERSE REQUIRE AN AUTHOR!
B.G. Kent
2006-07-18 03:59:52 UTC
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Post by b***@juno.com
Christianity is the very FOUNDATION of science. Science could never
have arisen in any other matrix than Christianity.
B - Wow..well you had better tell this to the Creationists and
Evolutionists then. Maybe then we can all "make nice" and get along then.
Personally I believe that God created evolution. I see a mix of two and
always have. I don't ask that others agree though..that would be madness.

I.M.O
Bren
b***@juno.com
2006-07-19 03:07:55 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
B - Wow..well you had better tell this to the Creationists and
Evolutionists then. Maybe then we can all "make nice" and get along then.
Personally I believe that God created evolution. I see a mix of two and
always have. I don't ask that others agree though..that would be madness.
You know, I just ordered a new book called "The Language of God." It
was written by Francis Collins, a scientist who is the head of the
Human Genome project.

Turns out that Collins is a world class scientist who believes in God
and evolution simultaneously. I can't wait to read the book, to learn
his thoughts on the matter.
Post by B.G. Kent
From what I can gather, Collins believes not just in a Deist
(non-interactive with the Universe) type of God. He believes in a
Theist (interactive with the Universe) type of God.

Should be a good read.
B.G. Kent
2006-07-20 01:32:43 UTC
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Post by b***@juno.com
Should be a good read.
B -I agree.....

"ooh look! hell has just frozen over!"

;)

Blessings
Bren

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