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The ultimate deliverance
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Jacob
2007-07-09 02:18:13 UTC
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Theologians say that the root of all sin is selfishness. We want
things, pleasure, honour, etc., for ourselves, and therefore we tend
to seek after them irrespective of whether God would be happy with the
way we seek them or not. We put God aside whenever we choose our own
way. A genuine conversion effects a drastic change in this self driven
approach to life to where we begin to seek what is pleasing to the
Lord. We are so overwhelmed by the love of God for us in forgiving our
sins and accepting us that we are willing to do anything to be
pleasing to Him (2Co.5:14,15). It doesn't mean that we become totally
unselfish when we are born again. We begin on that way, and our
growing in grace and in sanctification (which means being set apart
for God and becoming like Him in a lifelong process) essentially
amounts to being increasingly delivered from self-centred lives.
From being self-centred to what? Being God-centred, of course! Look at
what a man like the apostle Paul found as the ultimate goal. He
considered everything else as worthless compared to knowing Christ
(Php.3:8). What he meant by 'knowing Christ' was much more than even
knowing Him as his Saviour. He was thinking about 'being found in
Him,' 'having His righteousness,' experiencing the 'power of His
resurrection' and even the 'fellowship of His suffering' (v.9,10).
This desire drove him to be pleasing to Him wherever he was (2Co.5:9),
to be content with humble means or wealth (Php.4:11,12), to count it
as a privilege to suffer for Christ in taking the gospel all across
the world (1Co.9:16;2Co.6:4-10), etc.

We may not all be called to be apostles or to have prominent
ministries. So if we are saved from self-centredness how will it look?
We can see the secret from the way Jesus lived. He is the ultimate
example!

What was the motive that drove Jesus as He lived on earth? We know
that He came down to earth to die for us because He loved us. That was
the ultimate thing that He accomplished. But what was it that
characterised all that He did or said during His life on earth? First
of all, He said that He had come down to earth to do His Father's will
(Jn.6:38;He.10:7). All that He said or did was the will of the Father.
Secondly, His desire was that the Father may be glorified in
everything. When He knew that He was going to be killed, He chose that
path joyfully because that was the way to glorify the Father (Jn.
12:27,28). When He prayed with the disciples He rejoiced that He had
glorified the Father so far in accomplishing His will (Jn.17:4). He
asked the Father to glorify Him (Jesus) through death and
resurrection, so that ultimately the Father could be glorified (v.1).

Our own ultimate deliverance is to have as our goal in life to glorify
God, through all that we say and do. This means that the desire to
glorify God overtakes our inclination to seek things for ourselves.
Isn't this what we should pursue after?

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B.G. Kent
2007-07-09 22:26:27 UTC
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Post by Jacob
Theologians say that the root of all sin is selfishness. We want
things, pleasure, honour, etc., for ourselves, and therefore we tend
to seek after them irrespective of whether God would be happy with the
way we seek them or not.
B - Some would say fear....for selfishness is built on fear.

Bren
Matthew Johnson
2007-07-11 02:04:15 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
Post by Jacob
Theologians say that the root of all sin is selfishness. We want
things, pleasure, honour, etc., for ourselves, and therefore we tend
to seek after them irrespective of whether God would be happy with the
way we seek them or not.
B - Some would say fear....for selfishness is built on fear.
Some might say that, but why should we believe them? Why should we believe that
_all_ selfishness is built on fear?
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Matthew Johnson
2007-07-09 22:26:28 UTC
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Post by Jacob
Theologians say that the root of all sin is selfishness.
Who says this? Augustine said not 'selfishness', but "amor sui" and not even
just _any_ "self-love", but specifically, that self-love that is perverse and to
be avoided (perversus and cavendus).

All this would be clear, as well as the distinction between "amor sui" and mere
'selfishness', if only I could find a good translation into English of my
sigfile!
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)
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