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Should a Christian be involved with Freemasonry?
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John B. Walt
2006-11-14 04:46:53 UTC
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Hello,

I saw an ebook at the site http://www.wrpf.org/ (World Revival
Prayer Fellowship) with this topic.

Has anyone read it and if yes, would you post some comments.

Thank you,

John Walt
* irenic *
2006-11-15 00:21:29 UTC
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Post by John B. Walt
Hello,
I saw an ebook at the site http://www.wrpf.org/ (World Revival
Prayer Fellowship) with this topic.
Has anyone read it and if yes, would you post some comments.
Thank you,
John Walt
Hi John,

Here are some links, including one which will tell you what freemasons think
of themselves - http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/13036.htm (now that's a novel
place to start eh :-)?

If you're evangelical-to-fundamentalist you'll assert that 'freemasonry is
incompatible with Christianity'. If you're 'mainline/liberal' you'll hear
something like this: 'I have generally found Freemasons to be people with
integrity and with a heightened sense of commitment to the community.'
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/11758.htm

An American fundamentalist approach: 'Christians in the 1800s recognised
that the god of Freemasonry was not the one and true God of the Bible, yet
Masons were allowed to set up monuments to false gods in our nation's
capital. Today, I believe we must repent for the sins of our fathers, who
built these idolatrous "high places" (see Jer. 19:5). They stand in direct
contradiction to God's strict commands against worshiping the sun, Baal and
the gods of Egypt (see Ezek. 8:16, 20:7; Jer. 11:12-13, 43:13).
(http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/618.htm )

An estimated 400,000 - 500,000 Southern Baptist men are Masons (from an old
src thread - http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/786.htm )

More: http://jmm.aaa.net.au/catalog/keyword/f-7.htm
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Shalom! Rowland Croucher

'It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know
for sure that just ain't so' (Mark Twain)

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/ - 18,200 articles/ 4000 humour
zach
2006-11-17 04:01:50 UTC
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Post by * irenic *
Here are some links, including one which will tell you what freemasons think
of themselves - http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/13036.htm (now that's a novel
place to start eh :-)?
If you're evangelical-to-fundamentalist you'll assert that 'freemasonry is
incompatible with Christianity'. If you're 'mainline/liberal' you'll hear
something like this: 'I have generally found Freemasons to be people with
integrity and with a heightened sense of commitment to the community.'
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/11758.htm
That type of morality is not mutually exclusive. There are atheists who
fit that description, too. Yet, since one cannot be an atheist and be a
Freemason, the Freemasons themselves are Fundamentalist.

I think the question should not be "should a Christian be involved with
Freemasonry", but rather, "_why would_ a Christian feel the need to be
involved with Freemasonry." Notwitthstanding Christ's injunction during
the Sermon on the Mount against the swearing of oaths, this isn't the
Lyon's Club. Freemasonic ritual is full of occultic and pagan
symbolism. The entrance board to the largest town in the small country
where I am from has an upside down pentagram on it to symbolize the
presence of a Masonic Lodge in the town. This is the same community
that was in a serious uproar over changing the name of a local junior
high school sports team called The Devils, but then I had passed by
this sign for years before I noticed it. Of course, the neo-pagans say
that the Satanists took and perverted the original symbol of the
inverted pentagram for their own use. Sure, it doesn't represent Satan
worship to the Masons, but the fact is that it is an occultic symbol.

As for the Freemasonic symbolism on the US $1 bill, the US Treasury
site says that the Star of David was designed there to acknowledge
Jewish financiers of the Revolutionary War, and that seems like a
convenient explanation. However, the six-pointed star is also an occult
symbol, the Star of Repham (or Rephaim). This Seal of Solomon figures
heavily in Masonic ritual vis-a-vis the first Mason, the designer of
Solomon's Temple, Hiram Abif, who was brutally murdered by co-workers
who would steal his secret knowledge. One doesn't have to read
"Fundamentalist" Christian anti-Masonry books to find out about this.
There are plenty of secular sources that explain it. Besides,
especially with the popularization of the occult in the past few years,
so-called secrets aren't too secret anymore.

So I repeat my assertion, why would a Christian want to be involved in
a paganistic club full of occultic symbolism and ritual? If you've
already been baptized as a Christian, why would you go through a
Freemason's death and resurrection ceremony, a ritual steeped in
occultic symbolism? For what purpose does this advance your walk as a
Christian? When you have tasted meat, why do you return to drinking
milk?
suneejan
2006-11-17 04:01:52 UTC
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I do believe that freemasonry is a cult. The masons do some good
works. However some of their teachings do not align up with the word
of God.
Post by John B. Walt
Hello,
I saw an ebook at the site http://www.wrpf.org/ (World Revival
Prayer Fellowship) with this topic.
Has anyone read it and if yes, would you post some comments.
Thank you,
John Walt
B.G. Kent
2006-11-20 01:37:31 UTC
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Post by suneejan
of God.
???? But God's a Mason ain't he?

;)

Bren
suneejan
2006-11-22 03:41:24 UTC
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Post by suneejan
of God.
???? But God's a Mason ain't he?
;)
Bren
God is God. Why would God align himself with an organization that goes
against his word?
The masonic organization uses a lot of scripture in their meetings and
rules but some of the scripture they use are twisted out of context.
suneejan
2006-11-22 03:41:25 UTC
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Post by suneejan
of God.
???? But God's a Mason ain't he?
;)
Bren
God is God. Why would God align himself with an organization that goes
against his word?
The masonic organization uses a lot of scripture in their meetings and
rules but some of the scripture they use are twisted out of context.
B.G. Kent
2006-11-27 01:44:58 UTC
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Post by suneejan
Post by B.G. Kent
???? But God's a Mason ain't he?
;)
Bren
God is God. Why would God align himself with an organization that goes
against his word?
B - it was a lame attempt at humour my good friend...and I don't think
that the masons go against Gods word at all.
Post by suneejan
The masonic organization uses a lot of scripture in their meetings and
rules but some of the scripture they use are twisted out of context.
B - Please cite where this is to be found and what they actually say.
The very idea that you would be privy to a secret society is interesting.
Were you in the masons?

Bren
B.G. Kent
2006-11-28 05:29:18 UTC
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Post by suneejan
Post by B.G. Kent
???? But God's a Mason ain't he?
;)
Bren
God is God. Why would God align himself with an organization that goes
against his word?
B - it was a lame attempt at humour my good friend...and I don't think
that the masons go against Gods word at all.
Post by suneejan
The masonic organization uses a lot of scripture in their meetings and
rules but some of the scripture they use are twisted out of context.
B - Please cite where this is to be found and what they actually say.
The very idea that you would be privy to a secret society is interesting.
Were you in the masons?

Bren
suneejan
2006-11-29 01:55:30 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
Post by suneejan
The masonic organization uses a lot of scripture in their meetings and
rules but some of the scripture they use are twisted out of context.
B - Please cite where this is to be found and what they actually say.
The very idea that you would be privy to a secret society is interesting.
Were you in the masons?
Bren
Yes, I was involved with one of the daughter groups called Job
Daughters. This was before I became born-again christian. I know a
lot about the organization and that God forgave me of my involvement
with them. God is so merciful!
B.G. Kent
2006-11-30 02:00:14 UTC
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Post by suneejan
Yes, I was involved with one of the daughter groups called Job
Daughters. This was before I became born-again christian. I know a
lot about the organization and that God forgave me of my involvement
with them. God is so merciful!
But you were not a Mason. Understood. So you put down a group you know
little of.

Bren
PH
2006-12-01 03:07:39 UTC
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Post by suneejan
I do believe that freemasonry is a cult. The masons do some good
works. However some of their teachings do not align up with the word
of God.
Post by John B. Walt
Hello,
I saw an ebook at the site http://www.wrpf.org/ (World Revival
Prayer Fellowship) with this topic.
Has anyone read it and if yes, would you post some comments.
Thank you,
John Walt
I agree....I think they started out good, but now they are all about
power and control.
PH
2006-12-01 03:07:39 UTC
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Post by suneejan
Post by B.G. Kent
Post by suneejan
The masonic organization uses a lot of scripture in their meetings and
rules but some of the scripture they use are twisted out of context.
B - Please cite where this is to be found and what they actually say.
The very idea that you would be privy to a secret society is interesting.
Were you in the masons?
Bren
Yes, I was involved with one of the daughter groups called Job
Daughters. This was before I became born-again christian. I know a
lot about the organization and that God forgave me of my involvement
with them. God is so merciful!
If you accept Jesus as your savior then God will forgive for past wrong
doings. As a matter of fact, asking for forgivness keeps the bonds
with God close. We all sin on a daily basis and need to ask for
forgiveness daily instead of from time to time.
Jake
2006-12-05 02:48:45 UTC
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Post by suneejan
Post by B.G. Kent
Post by suneejan
The masonic organization uses a lot of scripture in their meetings and
rules but some of the scripture they use are twisted out of context.
B - Please cite where this is to be found and what they actually say.
The very idea that you would be privy to a secret society is interesting.
Were you in the masons?
Bren
Yes, I was involved with one of the daughter groups called Job
Daughters. This was before I became born-again christian. I know a
lot about the organization and that God forgave me of my involvement
with them. God is so merciful!
May I ask if He is so merciful why has He failed to give me my legs
back? I have prayed many times, my church tells me that the Age of
Miracles is over, the End Times are here and I won't have much longer
to wait for the Rapture. I'm dumfounded!

Jake Watson.
JJ .
2006-11-20 23:18:57 UTC
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Don't get involved with them, they are a cult.
zach
2006-11-22 03:41:25 UTC
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Post by JJ .
Don't get involved with them, they are a cult.
By a very broad, loose definition. They are more like an esoteric
social club.
B.G. Kent
2006-11-22 03:41:27 UTC
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Post by JJ .
Don't get involved with them, they are a cult.
B - How do you know that they are a cult? Do they try to steer people away
from their families? Do they brainwash? Do they have you question your own
thinking? force you to believe what you don't understand? threaten you
with Hellfire if you don't?
Hmmm....
Please enlighten me.

Bren
suneejan
2006-11-29 01:55:30 UTC
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Post by JJ .
Don't get involved with them, they are a cult.
B - How do you know that they are a cult? Do they try to steer people away
from their families? Do they brainwash? Do they have you question your own
thinking? force you to believe what you don't understand? threaten you
with Hellfire if you don't?
Hmmm....
Please enlighten me.
Bren
They do things in their meetings that are unbiblical. The ring they
wear has some unbiblical signs on it.
suneejan
2006-11-29 01:55:30 UTC
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http://religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/Freemasonry.htm

Please check out this website about the freemasons
B.G. Kent
2006-11-30 02:00:15 UTC
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Heh....and it is a non-biased group?

I don't think so.

Why not get a link to this from a non-biased source?

Who could believe the link you offerred up?

Bren

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006,
Post by suneejan
Please check out this website about the freemasons
B.G. Kent
2006-11-30 02:00:15 UTC
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Post by suneejan
They do things in their meetings that are unbiblical. The ring they
wear has some unbiblical signs on it.
B - Like what? and is everything you do everyday biblical? they have a
pentagram on their ring...from what I have seen. The Pentagram used to be
called "Christ's foot" and was worn by some in the Crusades I have heard.
Why would this be "unbiblical"? and why is that wrong in your eyes?

Bren
B.G. Kent
2006-12-01 03:07:38 UTC
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Perhaps a more balanced view of Freemasonry.

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/modeur/ph-crabb.htm



You say to-may-to ..I say to-mah-to.

May the truth set you free. Remember...what a certain concept means to
you..may not at all mean the same thing to another...for example the
concept of Lucifer. Some persons see Lucifer as an evil being..an angel
that has fallen and has no interest in anything except bringing
destruction to the world...and on the other hand...some see Jehovah as a
God that has imprisoned persons in this dimension and Lucifer as a being
of light (meaning knowledge). Is one lieing to the other? is one trying to
trap another into something false? read..learn...go deep within and speak
to God...learn a bit of history..learn what these words mean to everyone
who has ever written scripture. Everyone can grab hold of a concept and
run with it....explore! learn! don't just swallow what someone else
says...test it all.

Blessings
Bren
suneejan
2006-12-05 02:48:38 UTC
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Post by suneejan
They do things in their meetings that are unbiblical. The ring they
wear has some unbiblical signs on it.
B - Like what? and is everything you do everyday biblical? they have a
pentagram on their ring...from what I have seen. The Pentagram used to be
called "Christ's foot" and was worn by some in the Crusades I have heard.
Why would this be "unbiblical"? and why is that wrong in your eyes?
Bren
I never heard of the pentagram called Christ foot. I know that satan
uses the pentagram to let loose some od the demons. I consider it as a
gateway to hell.
Some of the leaders of the Crusades used the name of Christ for power
and land aquisition but they were not true believers.
I try to follow the teachings of thje bible everyday and sometimes I do
fail in this task. But then I confess and God is faithfull to dorgive
me. HE is so mericiful. Then I try not to do that wrong again.
suneejan
2006-12-05 02:48:38 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
Perhaps a more balanced view of Freemasonry.
http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/modeur/ph-crabb.htm
You say to-may-to ..I say to-mah-to.
...
Post by B.G. Kent
concept of Lucifer. Some persons see Lucifer as an evil being..an angel
that has fallen and has no interest in anything except bringing
destruction to the world...and on the other hand...some see Jehovah as a
God that has imprisoned persons in this dimension and Lucifer as a being
..
That site said irt had occult teachings and all one had to believe
that there is a higher power. This does not go with the teachings of
christ and the bible.
The Holy Bible has the answers to life's problems and not organizations
or religions.
B.G. Kent
2006-12-06 04:17:29 UTC
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Post by suneejan
I never heard of the pentagram called Christ foot. I know that satan
uses the pentagram to let loose some od the demons. I consider it as a
gateway to hell.
B - How does Satan use a symbol to "let loose some od the demons"? HOw
does a symbol do this. I would like to know what you think.
Post by suneejan
Some of the leaders of the Crusades used the name of Christ for power
and land aquisition but they were not true believers.
B - How do you know...where you there?
Post by suneejan
I try to follow the teachings of thje bible everyday and sometimes I do
fail in this task. But then I confess and God is faithfull to dorgive
me. HE is so mericiful. Then I try not to do that wrong again.
B - I try to follow Gods guidance everyday ..and sometimes
I fail in this task. I don't have to confess to God what I have failed
about because I believe that God already knows and that you can't hide
anything from God. I believe that God knows what is in your heart. I try
to learn by my "sins" (sin means to miss the mark) as well and not to do
them again. I believe that God forgives all.

Nice to know we have something in common.

:)
Blessings
Bren
B.G. Kent
2006-12-06 04:17:29 UTC
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Post by suneejan
Post by B.G. Kent
Perhaps a more balanced view of Freemasonry.
http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/modeur/ph-crabb.htm
You say to-may-to ..I say to-mah-to.
...
Post by B.G. Kent
concept of Lucifer. Some persons see Lucifer as an evil being..an angel
that has fallen and has no interest in anything except bringing
destruction to the world...and on the other hand...some see Jehovah as a
God that has imprisoned persons in this dimension and Lucifer as a being
..
That site said irt had occult teachings and all one had to believe
that there is a higher power. This does not go with the teachings of
christ and the bible.
The Holy Bible has the answers to life's problems and not organizations
or religions.
B - The meaning of the word "occult" means "hidden". Some knowledge is
hidden supposedly because one is not supposed to "throw pearls before
swine." Since it is written in the Bible not to "throw pearls before
swine"...I would say it works with the Bible's teachings. If I believe
that the Higher Power is God...I can't see why it would not go with the
Bible and Christ.
As to the last sentence you typed....I figure that is your opinion.

Blessings
Bren
Matthew Johnson
2006-12-08 01:07:52 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
Post by suneejan
Post by B.G. Kent
Perhaps a more balanced view of Freemasonry.
http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/modeur/ph-crabb.htm
You say to-may-to ..I say to-mah-to.
...
Post by B.G. Kent
concept of Lucifer. Some persons see Lucifer as an evil being..an angel
that has fallen and has no interest in anything except bringing
destruction to the world...and on the other hand...some see Jehovah as a
God that has imprisoned persons in this dimension and Lucifer as a being
..
That site said irt had occult teachings and all one had to believe
that there is a higher power. This does not go with the teachings of
christ and the bible.
The Holy Bible has the answers to life's problems and not organizations
or religions.
B - The meaning of the word "occult" means "hidden".
No. That is not what it means. You are making the same sophomoric error you have
made SO often in this NG: confusing the current meaning of a word with its
etymological meaning.

What makes this particularly foolish, Bren, is that you have been warned often
enough before what a HUGE error this is. Yet you persist.

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