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Learning from the opposition
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Jacob
2008-07-14 04:11:10 UTC
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You may have heard the imaginary story about a visitor to heaven and
hell. He first went to hell and saw a sumptuous feast laid out on the
table before the people. But each person had his arms straightened out
by tying a stick along the arms. And they were cursing and swearing in
frustration because they could not bend their elbows to take and put
food into their mouths. When this man next went to heaven he saw that
even there the same food was laid on the tables and their arms were
tied in the same fashion. But they were enjoying the food, because
each one was feeding his neighbour with his long arm!

This story came to my mind when I was wondering about how to
understand the Bible accurately. I was coming to some clear
conclusions on the subject.

1. No one understands the Bible completely.
2. Every one of us has errors in our understanding.
3. True understanding of the truth is distributed among different
groups.

No group or person holds monopoly over God's truth. Those who are born
again agree on certain baseline truths concerning the nature of God
and His plan of salvation. But beyond that, all of us hold some part
of the truth, and there are others who hold other parts of the truth.
The funny part is that there are those with whom we may disagree on
certain concepts and interpretations who have some part of the truth
that we do not have. Without admitting this fact to ourselves or to
the others, we tend to stand in our own groups and keep the others at
a distance away from us. And then we struggle to understand certain
parts of God's word without realising that some of these others in the
'opposition party' may have better understanding on those parts we are
struggling with!

It looks like our wise Father has planned these things in such a way
that without cooperating with one another we will never be in a
position to understand the length, breadth, height and depth of His
truths (Ep.3:17-19)! Like in the story it looks as if we have to feed
the others and receive from the others. We may be eager to feed the
others since we think that we know a thing or two to share with the
others. But are we also willing to receive from others what they have
to give us?

I think what most of us are actually doing is to stand in our own
group and point out where all the others are wrong. We don't even try
to listen to what they are saying, or read what they have written to
see where we could learn something from them. Once we have classified
them as being in error on some issues, we totally keep them out of our
circle. We don't think that while they may be wrong about some things,
they may be right about some things we are wrong about! What they have
to say may be just the right pieces to complete some part of our
jigsaw puzzle!

Certainly great balance and caution are required to keep out error
while trying to learn new things. But keeping away from the
'opposition' is not the solution.
shegeek72
2008-07-17 02:33:47 UTC
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Post by Jacob
No group or person holds monopoly over God's truth.
Amen! Yet there are those who claim that their's are the 'correct'
versions of what the Bible says and anyone who disagrees is 'wrong.'
Post by Jacob
Those who are born
again agree on certain baseline truths concerning the nature of God
and His plan of salvation.
Unfortunately, I've found born-again Christians to be the most
intolerant and set in their ways in regards to Christianity.
Post by Jacob
Certainly great balance and caution are required to keep out error
while trying to learn new things. But keeping away from the
'opposition' is not the solution.
No where is this more applicable than with GLBT people; arguably the
most poorly treated and ostracized group among those who attend
Christian churches. If you really want to listen to, and get to know,
the 'opposition' attend a GLBT-friendly, or affirming, Christian
church. If you had objections to GLBT folks you may find your attitude
shifting.

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Zoen
2008-07-22 00:58:46 UTC
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Post by Jacob
3. True understanding of the truth is distributed among different
groups.
This is why the diversity can be good in Christianity. There are so many
different ways of understanding things that knowledge more collectively
pooled together we might start to have a better understanding of
everything. But at this point I'm talking ideals because everyone is too
focused on their specific beliefs they never take time to stop and hear
anyone else out.

Zoen
Matthew Johnson
2008-07-23 01:00:53 UTC
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In article <ahahk.280$***@trnddc06>, Zoen says...

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Post by Zoen
But at this point I'm talking ideals because everyone is too
focused on their specific beliefs they never take time to stop and hear
anyone else out.
But if you are going to "talk about ideals", what is wrong with the ideal that
there be no errors in the first place, so that that portion of the diversity
that is due to error simply not exist at all?

But even more pertinent: did it ever occur to you that there might be a reason
behind this behavior, that "never take time to stop and hear
anyone else out"? Did it ever occur to you that it might be, at least with some
people, because they are tired of wasting their time "hearing them out" when it
so often turns out that their ideas were not worth the time after all?

Or have you not yet noticed this? Often, an idea that on the surface sounds
promising, hwen examined more closely, turns out to be total claptrap -- or
worse. After you spend enough fime figuring this out for one bad idea after
another, you get jaded.
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