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Dear Abby wants to literally go to Hell!
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s***@yahoo.com
2007-10-11 02:16:50 UTC
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The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, I believe
the old woman's name is), I saw at Yahoo.com, is saying homosexuality
is ok! Despite what Romans 1:21-27 (the New Testament!) says on the
subject and despite the fact that homosexuality is not naturally
productive in creating offspring this young sinful sickie is advising
people not even to try to help homosexuals be cured of their
homosexuality and she's totally advocating gay marriage. She's 100%
ill!
B.G. Kent
2007-10-12 02:58:09 UTC
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Post by s***@yahoo.com
The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, I believe
the old woman's name is), I saw at Yahoo.com, is saying homosexuality
is ok! Despite what Romans 1:21-27 (the New Testament!) says on the
subject and despite the fact that homosexuality is not naturally
snip for space and redundancy

B - I say hooray for her saying this. No one chooses it...in
body...perhaps in spirit pre-incarnation to teach others around them how
to love unconditionally..and to learn themselves about patience and
tolerance. Homosexuals are just another in the spectrum of sexuality..time
for us all to wake up and realize that like left handedness ..moralizing
about a difference is ridiculous...and the bible is not to be confused
with God for that is idolatry.

I.m.O
Bren
Matthew Johnson
2007-10-15 00:02:57 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
Post by s***@yahoo.com
The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, I
believe the old woman's name is), I saw at Yahoo.com, is saying
homosexuality is ok! Despite what Romans 1:21-27 (the New
Testament!) says on the subject and despite the fact that
homosexuality is not naturally
snip for space and redundancy
I'm glad to see that at least _someone_ realized the importance
ofmarking where one snips.
Post by B.G. Kent
B - I say hooray for her saying this.
No doubt you do. But so what? You say 'hooray' for lots of horrible things.
Post by B.G. Kent
No one chooses it...
You are far too sure of this, even with your 'i.m.o' at the end of the post.
Post by B.G. Kent
in body...perhaps in spirit pre-incarnation to teach others around
them how to love unconditionally.
More likely they will learn to flap their arms and fly to the
moon. This "spirit pre-incarnation" is a pure fiction.
Post by B.G. Kent
and to learn themselves about patience and
tolerance. Homosexuals are just another in the spectrum of sexuality..
No, they are not.
Post by B.G. Kent
time for us all to wake up and realize that like left handedness
Now this is a typical example of how youcontradict yourself by sayig
"i.m.o". If it is only in your 'humble' opinion, then since it is
_not_ our opinion, it _cannot_ be time for _us_ to wake up.

Rather, it is high time for _you_ to wake up and realize how you
undercut your own propositions with such sophomoric illogic.
Post by B.G. Kent
..moralizing about a difference is ridiculous
No, claiming it is just like left-handedness is what is ridiculous.
Post by B.G. Kent
...and the bible is not to be confused with God for that is idolatry.
Nobody in this NG does this, despite your frequent accusation. Rather,
if there is anyone confusing a created thing with God, it is you who
is doing it, since you call something purely subjective, purely in
your own personal perception, 'God'.

Now _that_ is idolatry.
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)
Matthew Johnson
2007-10-12 02:58:09 UTC
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Post by s***@yahoo.com
The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, I believe
the old woman's name is), I saw at Yahoo.com, is saying homosexuality
is ok! Despite what Romans 1:21-27 (the New Testament!) says on the
subject and despite the fact that homosexuality is not naturally
productive in creating offspring this young sinful sickie is advising
people not even to try to help homosexuals be cured of their
homosexuality and she's totally advocating gay marriage. She's 100%
ill!
I'm not at all surprised. Long before this sick endorsement, I saw much that
disgusted me in "Dear Abby" columns. I gave up even glancing at them years ago.
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)
A Brown
2007-10-12 02:58:09 UTC
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The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, is saying
homosexuality
is ok! Despite what Romans 1:21-27 (the New Testament!) says on the
subject
I don't think Dear Abby is a Christian. Her family is/was Jewish.

So the NT doesn't have relevance to her.
and despite the fact that homosexuality is not naturally
productive in creating offspring...
So no one can get married past menopause, since this is not productive in
creating offspring?
this young sinful sickie is advising
people not even to try to help homosexuals be cured of their
homosexuality...
There is an abysmal track record for trying to "help" homosexuals be
"cured".
B.G. Kent
2007-10-15 00:03:01 UTC
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Post by A Brown
The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, is saying
homosexuality
is ok! Despite what Romans 1:21-27 (the New Testament!) says on the
subject
I don't think Dear Abby is a Christian. Her family is/was Jewish.
So the NT doesn't have relevance to her.
and despite the fact that homosexuality is not naturally
productive in creating offspring...
So no one can get married past menopause, since this is not productive in
creating offspring?
this young sinful sickie is advising
people not even to try to help homosexuals be cured of their
homosexuality...
There is an abysmal track record for trying to "help" homosexuals be
"cured".
B - and that's how we have homosexuals marrying to try and be "straight"
ending up years later having a broken marriage and confused children.
Conservative literalists are actually forcing people to lie. That's sad.

Bren
Gordon
2007-10-12 02:58:10 UTC
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Post by s***@yahoo.com
The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, I believe
the old woman's name is)
(snip)
Are you sure she is a DIRECT descendant, and not an INDIRECT
descendant of Abigail? What's the difference between a DIRECT and
an INDIRECT descendant, anyway?
Steve Hayes
2007-10-15 00:02:59 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by s***@yahoo.com
The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, I believe
the old woman's name is)
(snip)
Are you sure she is a DIRECT descendant, and not an INDIRECT
descendant of Abigail? What's the difference between a DIRECT and
an INDIRECT descendant, anyway?
A direct descendant is a child, grandchild, great grandchild, etc.

An "indirect" descendant is related in some way thoguh not directly descended
from the person - descended from a brother or sister or cousin of the original
person.

But one should still not expect Christian morality to be urged by the agony
aunt in a secular news medium, no matter what their genealogy.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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Steve Hayes
2007-10-15 00:02:59 UTC
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Post by s***@yahoo.com
The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, I believe
the old woman's name is), I saw at Yahoo.com, is saying homosexuality
is ok! Despite what Romans 1:21-27 (the New Testament!) says on the
subject and despite the fact that homosexuality is not naturally
productive in creating offspring this young sinful sickie is advising
people not even to try to help homosexuals be cured of their
homosexuality and she's totally advocating gay marriage. She's 100%
ill!
As was pointed out in another thread, you cannot force Christian morality on a
non-Christian culture.

There have always been differences between Christian ethics and those of the
world. As the author of the "Epistle to Diognetus" pointed out, back in the
2nd century, Christians, "like other men, marry and beget children, though
they do not expose their infants. Any Christian is free to share his
neighbour's table, though not his marriage bed."

We should not be surprised by this.
--
The unworthy deacon,
Stephen Methodius Hayes
Contact: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Orthodox mission pages: http://www.orthodoxy.faithweb.com/
Burkladies
2007-10-17 01:27:44 UTC
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Post by s***@yahoo.com
The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, I believe
the old woman's name is), I saw at Yahoo.com, is saying homosexuality
is ok! Despite what Romans 1:21-27 (the New Testament!) says on the
subject and despite the fact that homosexuality is not naturally
productive in creating offspring this young sinful sickie is advising
people not even to try to help homosexuals be cured of their
homosexuality and she's totally advocating gay marriage. She's 100%
ill!
Some words jumped out at me here;Abigail Van Buren . Romans 1:21-27...
the NT. .. says on the subject... homosexuality ...naturally
productive..... creating offspring .... sinful sicki ..cured.....their
homosexuality...advocating gay marriage. ... 100% ill.


Abigail Van Buren is a pseudonym or pen name used by the writers of
the Dear Abby column, Pauline Phillips (born July 4, 1918) and her
successor, her daughter Jeanne Phillips.

When Pauline Esther Friedman Phillips founded the column during 1956,
she used the pseudonym of Abigail Van Buren; she and her daughter
Jeanne have used the name ever since. According to Pauline, she
combined the name of the biblical character Abigail, mentioned in the
Book of Samuel, with the last name of former U.S. President Martin Van
Buren.

Romans 1:21-27 has nothing to do with your rabblings. Are you an
adulterer?

The NT, does not have the word 'homosexual' .

Naturally productive, meaning infirtile folks, youth, pedophiles,
alcoholics, sperm banks, adoption and everyone in between, we all have
to reproduce. How absurd.

Creating offspring, so we need to replace the over grown population of
crazy people while war is killing our kids. According to you.

sinful sicki, cured ?

homosexuality is not in the bible

gay marriage is an Ad- hominum.

Everything you interpret here is a Slippery Slope.

You say she is 100% ill? Did you graduate high school? I think your
brain washed here. Abby is correct. There is nothing inherently wrong
except your interpretation. But adultery is a sin you clearly have a
problem with based on the lesson you posted from Romans describes, but
You missed more of the lesson, it continues.. Romans 2:1-3 (NASB)...

As a teacher, I would send your essay back for revision before I
graded it.



Blessed be


--
matthew 22:36--40
Maestro, =BFcu=E1l es el gran mandamiento en la Ley?
37 Jes=FAs le dijo:
--"Amar=E1s al Se=F1or tu Dios con todo tu coraz=F3n, con toda tu alma y
con toda tu mente".
38 Este es el primero y grande mandamiento.
39 Y el segundo es semejante: "Amar=E1s a tu pr=F3jimo como a ti
mismo".
40"On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
Matthew Johnson
2007-10-18 01:48:08 UTC
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Post by Burkladies
Post by s***@yahoo.com
The new Dear Abby (a direct descendant of Abigail Van Buren, I believe
the old woman's name is), I saw at Yahoo.com, is saying homosexuality
is ok! Despite what Romans 1:21-27 (the New Testament!) says on the
subject and despite the fact that homosexuality is not naturally
productive in creating offspring this young sinful sickie is advising
people not even to try to help homosexuals be cured of their
homosexuality and she's totally advocating gay marriage. She's 100%
ill!
Some words jumped out at me here;Abigail Van Buren . Romans
1:21-27... the NT. .. says on the subject... homosexuality
...naturally productive..... creating offspring .... sinful sicki
..cured.....their homosexuality...advocating gay marriage. ... 100%
ill.
Well, so they jumped out at you. Did you read the rest of the words?
Or did you retaliate against their jumping at you by jumping to
conclusions yourself?
Post by Burkladies
Abigail Van Buren is a pseudonym or pen name used by the writers of
the Dear Abby column, Pauline Phillips (born July 4, 1918) and her
successor, her daughter Jeanne Phillips.
Nice to know, but not very relevant, is it?
Post by Burkladies
When Pauline Esther Friedman Phillips founded the column during 1956,
she used the pseudonym of Abigail Van Buren; she and her daughter
Jeanne have used the name ever since. According to Pauline, she
combined the name of the biblical character Abigail, mentioned in the
Book of Samuel, with the last name of former U.S. President Martin
Van Buren.
Also not very relevant. Or are you trying to claim that they must be
good since they used biblical names?
Post by Burkladies
Romans 1:21-27 has nothing to do with your rabblings.
It wasn't 'rabblings', and it has a lot to do with it.
Post by Burkladies
Are you an adulterer?
Now _that_ is not only irrelevant, but a personal attack.
Post by Burkladies
The NT, does not have the word 'homosexual' .
True, but so what? It has ARSENOKOITHS and MALAKOS, which words, when
used together, mean 'homosexuals', in the sense of people who
_perform_ the evil deed.
Post by Burkladies
Naturally productive, meaning infirtile folks, youth, pedophiles,
alcoholics, sperm banks, adoption and everyone in between, we all
have to reproduce.
No, that is not what it means. Have you _ever_ thought about this
before, 'Burkeladies'? Have you ever heard Aquinas's excellent
explanation of the issue? No, we do _not_ "all have to reproduce". As
Aquinas so brilliantly explained, the obligation is rather that we
ourselves take no action to interfere with our natural ability to
reproduce. So if someone is infertile, there is no sin in that, unless
that person _chose_ the infertility, by, for example vasectomy.
Post by Burkladies
How absurd.
The only thing that is 'absurd' is your perversion of what the OP
really said.
Post by Burkladies
Creating offspring, so we need to replace the over grown population
of crazy people while war is killing our kids. According to you.
Ever hear of "be fruitful and multiply"? Ever hear of the principle
that the commands given to Adam are commands to all mankind, since the
very name 'Adam' means 'mankind'?
Post by Burkladies
sinful sicki, cured ?
homosexuality is not in the bible
gay marriage is an Ad- hominum.
No, it is not. This is one of the more bizarre mis-statements I have
seen you make in all my years of reading in this NG!
Post by Burkladies
Everything you interpret here is a Slippery Slope.
Not at all.
Post by Burkladies
You say she is 100% ill?
Did you graduate high school?
Another crude ad hominem.
Post by Burkladies
I think your brain washed here.
Well, who _cares_ what you think? You are clearly no expert in
"brain-washing". Indeed, to judge from your posts, you are only
'expert' in spewing a very strange sort of Gnostic nonsense. Should we
call it "Gnonsense"?
Post by Burkladies
Abby is correct.
No, she is not 'correct'. Not even close.
Post by Burkladies
There is nothing inherently wrong
except your interpretation.
So you say. But Scripture says otherwise. In addition to the Romans
verses already cited, there is also 1 Cor 6:9-10:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor
adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor
drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
(1Co 6:9-10 RSVA)

Now the words RSVA translates as "sexual perverts" is _really_
ARSENOKOITAI and MALAKOI. So it does not mean just _any_ 'perverts',
but _specifically_ those whose perversion is to engage in homosexual
activity.
Post by Burkladies
But adultery is a sin you clearly have a problem
It is also a sin to say to someone you do not even know, "you clearly
have a problem with the sin of adultery".
Post by Burkladies
with based on the lesson you posted from Romans describes, but You
missed more of the lesson, it continues.. Romans 2:1-3 (NASB)...
As a teacher, I would send your essay back for revision before I
graded it.
Any school board that would allow you to teach should be
impeached. Simply voting them out isn't good enough.
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)
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