Six million Muslims are converting to Christianity in Africa every

[* Rowland Croucher *]

(I couldn't believe it either)

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[l***@hotmail.com]

On Jul 11, 7:35 pm, * Rowland Croucher *

Post by * Rowland Croucher *
(I couldn't believe it either)

My wife and I have supported missionaries who minister in No. Africa
for the last 30 yrs. They have had very, very few converts in the
Muslum communities quite unlike our missionary friends in the
Philippines who tells us it is not the Islam that is their biggest
enemy over there but the organization known as the Roman Catholic
Church. Yet they have planted six home churches in as many years and
they are all growing.

[zach]

Post by l***@hotmail.com

Post by * Rowland Croucher *
(I couldn't believe it either)

My wife and I have supported missionaries who minister in No. Africa
for the last 30 yrs. They have had very, very few converts in the
Muslum communities quite unlike our missionary friends in the
Philippines who tells us it is not the Islam that is their biggest
enemy over there but the organization known as the Roman Catholic
Church.

And yet it is Islamic rebels who are kidnapping and beheading people
in The Philippines, not Roman Catholics.

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by zach
And yet it is Islamic rebels who are kidnapping and beheading people
in The Philippines, not Roman Catholics.

It's Islamic rebels who get the headlines and no way minimizing the
seriousness of it, behead but a few while the Roman Catholic
Organization, by its false gospel leads countless millions to eternal
damnation. That the rebels actions are immediately evident does not
discount the RCO's eternal harlotry.

[B.G. Kent]

Post by zach
And yet it is Islamic rebels who are kidnapping and beheading people
in The Philippines, not Roman Catholics.

B - Fundamentalism...bigotry...intolerance....it all leads to violence no
matter what faith it is in. Let's not forget the Spanish Inquisition.

Bren

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by l***@hotmail.com

Post by zach
And yet it is Islamic rebels who are kidnapping and beheading people
in The Philippines, not Roman Catholics.

It's Islamic rebels who get the headlines and no way minimizing the
seriousness of it, behead but a few while the Roman Catholic
Organization, by its false gospel leads countless millions to eternal
damnation. That the rebels actions are immediately evident does not
discount the RCO's eternal harlotry.

But it is you, not they, who are leading millions to damnation, and guily of
'harlotry'.

[DKleinecke]

Post by l***@hotmail.com

Post by zach
And yet it is Islamic rebels who are kidnapping and beheading people
in The Philippines, not Roman Catholics.

It's Islamic rebels who get the headlines and no way minimizing the
seriousness of it, behead but a few while the Roman Catholic
Organization, by its false gospel leads countless millions to eternal
damnation. That the rebels actions are immediately evident does not
discount the RCO's eternal harlotry.

I think it is important that here we have a clear statement of anti-
popery. There are Christians who deny that Catholics are also
Christians.

The last time I asserted this fact I had to fall back on the old "The
Fundamentals" collection of tracts to prove my point. Now Zach has
given me up-to-date evidence.

The idea that Catholics are not Christians is deplorable. Moreover I
feel sure that whoever reads the Catholics out of Christianity is
surely also reading many non-Catholics (for example, the Orthodox) out
of Christianity. In fact, it seems to be a plausible notion that they
are reading everybody else out except their own little sect.

Only God can know who is a Christian and who is not. Simple good
manners would dictate that we accept anybody who wants to be a called
a Christian as a Christian.

Zach might then argue that many foolish people will adopt false
religious doctrines under the mistaken idea that those doctrines were
Christianity. I would counter by asserting that the details of
doctrine are trivial before God.

As John said "whosoever believeth in him shall not perish".

[Matthew Johnson]

In article <Enzni.6335$***@trnddc03>, DKleinecke says...
[snip]

Post by DKleinecke
The last time I asserted this fact I had to fall back on the old "The
Fundamentals" collection of tracts to prove my point. Now Zach has
given me up-to-date evidence.

Nor is he alone in this:-(

Post by DKleinecke
The idea that Catholics are not Christians is deplorable. Moreover I
feel sure that whoever reads the Catholics out of Christianity is
surely also reading many non-Catholics (for example, the Orthodox) out
of Christianity. In fact, it seems to be a plausible notion that they
are reading everybody else out except their own little sect.

This extremism is all too common. I always found it very interesting, if not
fully convincing, that that classic conservative Protestant commentary, Keil &
Delitzsch, explains Proverbs 18:1 as being _precisely_ a warning against this
sectarian attitude.

Post by DKleinecke
Only God can know who is a Christian and who is not. Simple good
manners would dictate that we accept anybody who wants to be a called
a Christian as a Christian.

But now you go too far in a different erroneous direction. This "dictate of good
manners" canNOT be justified based on Scripture, and the Tradition has NEVER
endorsed it.

Rather, the Tradition has long endorsed a different approach: that anyone who
professes the Creed agreed on by the Church has the right to call himself
'Christian'. Since at least 451AD, that Creed has been the "Nicene Creed".

Post by DKleinecke
Zach might then argue that many foolish people will adopt false
religious doctrines under the mistaken idea that those doctrines were
Christianity. I would counter by asserting that the details of
doctrine are trivial before God.

Then you are countering not just Zach, but ZSt. Paul himself. For he very
clearly did NOT agree that "details of doctrine are trivial before God". ON the
contrary: he fought very hard against doctrinal errors many would call 'trivial'
today, such as incipient Gnosticism, Judaizing, Docetism and other harder to
name errors.

Post by DKleinecke
As John said "whosoever believeth in him shall not perish".

Ah, but what sense of 'believeth' did John mean here? Did he mean mere
intellectual belief, a passing assent to the truth of an assertion, or something
deeper and more abiding?

After all, according to Scripture, even Simon the Magus believed and was
baptized. But Peter warned him sternly that he risked losing his salvation for
his attempted simony.

So it cannot mean that whoever started to believe has his salvation as a "done
deal".

[zach]

Post by Matthew Johnson

Post by DKleinecke
Zach might then argue that many foolish people will adopt false
religious doctrines under the mistaken idea that those doctrines were
Christianity. I would counter by asserting that the details of
doctrine are trivial before God.

Then you are countering not just Zach, but ZSt. Paul himself. For he very
clearly did NOT agree that "details of doctrine are trivial before God". ON the
contrary: he fought very hard against doctrinal errors many would call 'trivial'
today, such as incipient Gnosticism, Judaizing, Docetism and other harder to
name errors.

C'mon, guys, Please read the thread and cite (and comprehend!)
properly. I said nothing anti-Catholic, so don't defame me in that
manner. I pointed out that Muslim separatists were beheading people in
The Philippines, NOT Catholics. (Coincidentally, I came across the
story (Muslim rebels kidnapping and beheading Filipino soldiers) on
the BBC website the day before, I think, when first saw this post.)

[zach]

Post by Matthew Johnson

Post by DKleinecke
Zach might then argue that many foolish people will adopt false
religious doctrines under the mistaken idea that those doctrines were
Christianity. I would counter by asserting that the details of
doctrine are trivial before God.

Then you are countering not just Zach, but ZSt. Paul himself. For he very
clearly did NOT agree that "details of doctrine are trivial before God". ON the
contrary: he fought very hard against doctrinal errors many would call 'trivial'
today, such as incipient Gnosticism, Judaizing, Docetism and other harder to
name errors.

C'mon, guys, Please read the thread and cite (and comprehend!)
properly. I said nothing anti-Catholic, so don't defame me in that
manner. I pointed out that Muslim separatists were beheading people in
The Philippines, NOT Catholics. (Coincidentally, I came across the
story (Muslim rebels kidnapping and beheading Filipino soldiers) on
the BBC website the day before, I think, when first saw this post.)

[DKleinecke]

Post by zach
C'mon, guys, Please read the thread and cite (and comprehend!)
properly. I said nothing anti-Catholic, so don't defame me in that
manner.

Sorry, I owe you an apology. I misidentified the source of my comment.
It was Isenders who denounced the Catholics. I observe that Isenders
(I read his profile) is probably a Jehovah's Witness.

<quote>

On Jul 12, 9:20 pm, ***@hotmail.com wrote: > And yet it is
Islamic rebels who are kidnapping and beheading people > in The
Philippines, not Roman Catholics. It's Islamic rebels who get the
headlines and no way minimizing the seriousness of it, behead but a
few while the Roman Catholic Organization, by its false gospel leads
countless millions to eternal damnation. That the rebels actions are
immediately evident does not discount the RCO's eternal harlotry.

</quote>

Please forgive me. I am covered with rue.

What I said I do not take back - only whom I said it about.

---

[Loren Senders (lsenders) is a conservative member of the Reformed
tradition. I can't quite imagine what would lead anyone to think he is
a Jehovah's Witness. Many conservative Protestants still maintain that
in the 16th Cent, the Roman Catholic Church rejected the Gospel, and
that the underlying theological problems are still present.
--clh]

[zach]

Post by DKleinecke

Post by zach
C'mon, guys, Please read the thread and cite (and comprehend!)
properly. I said nothing anti-Catholic, so don't defame me in that
manner.

Sorry, I owe you an apology.

No problem.

Z.

[Matthew Johnson]

In article <P4bpi.2805$***@trnddc07>, DKleinecke says...

[snip]

Post by DKleinecke
Sorry, I owe you an apology. I misidentified the source of my comment.
It was Isenders who denounced the Catholics. I observe that Isenders
(I read his profile) is probably a Jehovah's Witness.

Oops! Another big whopper! You are 0 for 2 now, DKleinecke! He is a Baptist, and
a very dedicated opponent of "Jehovah's Witness" propaganda. I don't know where
you found that 'profile', but you should re-read it.

[snip]

Post by DKleinecke
[Loren Senders (lsenders) is a conservative member of the Reformed
tradition.
--clh]

And a Baptist at the same time! That is something I haven't quite figured out
yet...
--
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)

----

[Baptists were originally Reformed. Almost most groups eventually became
Armininian, there are still Reformed Baptists. --clh]

[DKleinecke]

Post by Matthew Johnson
Oops! Another big whopper! You are 0 for 2 now, DKleinecke! He is a Baptist, and
a very dedicated opponent of "Jehovah's Witness" propaganda. I don't know where
you found that 'profile', but you should re-read it.

The profile I read is the one that Google Groups provides. There is a
chance to view it on every posting right after the name of the poster.
The entry page to Groups give you a chance to create one. In this case
Loren (I even made a third error and read his moniker wrong - it is
"lsanders" with an inital "l" rather than "ISANDERS") has not provided
a profile so I read his posting history.

Anyone who posts that often to alt.religion.jehovahs-witn should, I
believe, be suspected of being a Jehovah's Witness. Perhaps Loren is
merely bringing the truth to poor abused members of Jehovah's
Witnesses.

He certainly sounds like a Jehovah's Witness to me in his posts. Same
kind of peculiarly pedantic arguments from scripture. Maybe spending
too much time on alt.religion. jehovahs-witn has corrupted his style
of argumentation.

I observe that he has yet to explain his attack on the Catholics. Such
an attack would be quite in keeping with Jehovah's Witness attitudes
as I understand them.

[b***@dodo.com.au]

Post by DKleinecke

Post by Matthew Johnson
Oops! Another big whopper! You are 0 for 2 now, DKleinecke! He is a Baptist, and
a very dedicated opponent of "Jehovah's Witness" propaganda. I don't know where
you found that 'profile', but you should re-read it.

The profile I read is the one that Google Groups provides. There is a
chance to view it on every posting right after the name of the poster.
The entry page to Groups give you a chance to create one. In this case
Loren (I even made a third error and read his moniker wrong - it is
"lsanders" with an inital "l" rather than "ISANDERS") has not provided
a profile so I read his posting history.
Anyone who posts that often to alt.religion.jehovahs-witn should, I
believe, be suspected of being a Jehovah's Witness. Perhaps Loren is
merely bringing the truth to poor abused members of Jehovah's
Witnesses.
He certainly sounds like a Jehovah's Witness to me in his posts. Same
kind of peculiarly pedantic arguments from scripture. Maybe spending
too much time on alt.religion. jehovahs-witn has corrupted his style
of argumentation.
I observe that he has yet to explain his attack on the Catholics. Such
an attack would be quite in keeping with Jehovah's Witness attitudes
as I understand them.

As a Catholic who used to be a Protestant, the idea that the Catholic
Church is un-Christian is a load of crap.

I'll quote my wise old Protestant Pastor, from the days when I was
still a Protestant ...

"When it comes to theology, Protestants couldn't agree how far to
spit".

"Protestants tell a lot of lies about Catholics and the Catholic
Church".

"Protestants can be quite arrogant when they talk about Catholics".

Frankly, speaking from experience in both camps, the claim that the
Catholic Church is leading millions to perdition is absolute garbage.
It's a load of codswallop.

It's a lie, and it comes from the devil, who is the father of all
lies.