Proof that gay people can change

[b***@juno.com]

And straight people can deliberately decide to be gay. Read it and
weep, gay propagandists!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56458

[Bren]

Post by b***@juno.com
And straight people can deliberately decide to be gay. Read it and
weep, gay propagandists!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56458

B - No. Being gay does not mean a person who tries it out..experiments
etc. Being bi...means that you are fluid in your sexuality...and are
attraced to men and women both...being gay means that you are
attracted sexually to people of your own sex. Boy Bimms you really
need to get out there and actually learn.

Bren

[ther]

Post by b***@juno.com
And straight people can deliberately decide to be gay. Read it and
weep, gay propagandists!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56458

Consider the source....WorldNetDopey.net is not known as a source of
unbiased factual reporting.

[shegeek72]

Post by ther
Consider the source....WorldNetDopey.net is not known as a source of
unbiased factual reporting.

Considering they published an article that claimed soy products (due
to the natural phyto-estrogens) turns children into homosexuals, I'd
say you're right.
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[Matthew Johnson]

Post by shegeek72

Post by ther
Consider the source....WorldNetDopey.net is not known as a source of
unbiased factual reporting.

Considering they published an article that claimed soy products (due
to the natural phyto-estrogens) turns children into homosexuals, I'd
say you're right.

But when did they ever really do this? If they really did do it, why didn't you
provide a citation?

[shegeek72]

On Jul 9, 3:26 pm, the suspect Matthew Johnson

Post by Matthew Johnson
But when did they ever really do this? If they really did do it, why didn't you
provide a citation?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by shegeek72
On Jul 9, 3:26 pm, the suspect Matthew Johnson

Post by Matthew Johnson
But when did they ever really do this? If they really did do it, why didn't you
provide a citation?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

Wow! This would be really funny if it weren't so tragically deluded. Of course
his fundamental premise is way off. Soy does not contain 'estrogens', which are
_animal_ hormones. It does contain chemicals that are similar, but not _that_
similar, and not _that_ much. It contains, for example, the _phyto_estrogen
genistein.

If there were even as much as a grain of truth to that outrageous claim, how
would Bruce Lee, raised on soy, have turned out so masculine?

No, that article is as fake as the so-called 'scientific' thinking that lead the
USDA back in the 50s to launch "scientific studies" to determine if soy was fit
for human consumption -- ignoring the fact that Asians had been eating it for
centuries.

[Andy]

Post by shegeek72

Post by Matthew Johnson
But when did they ever really do this? If they really did do it, why
didn't you
provide a citation?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

Wow! I bet Matt didn't expect you to come up with the citation so quickly!

[shegeek72]

Post by Andy

Post by shegeek72
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

Wow! I bet Matt didn't expect you to come up with the citation so quickly!

It's one of those articles so ridiculous that you don't easily
forget! :)

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by shegeek72

Post by Andy

Post by shegeek72
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

Wow! I bet Matt didn't expect you to come up with the citation so quickly!

It's one of those articles so ridiculous that you don't easily
forget! :)

That was my first impression. Yet I saw a remarkably similar article in Utne
Reader _also_ warning against the feminizing influence of the phytoestrogens in
tofu! So this fallacy clearly has a wider appeal than just to the religious
conservatives of WorldNetDaily.

But this is a good example of how people can dress up pseudo-science as science.
You too, just like WorldNetDaily, have an irrational love of such 'scientific'
sources.

[shegeek72]

Post by Matthew Johnson
You too, just like WorldNetDaily, have an irrational love of such 'scientific'
sources.

When and where did you get your degree in psychology?
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Post by shegeek72

Post by Matthew Johnson
You too, just like WorldNetDaily, have an irrational love of such 'scientific'
sources.

When and where did you get your degree in psychology?

Nobody needs a degree in psychology to see your irrational love of
pseudo-scientific sources. Anyone with a decent liberal arts education already
has all the expertise needed. This I have.

[omprem]

It sounds to me like she is still not to comfortable with her
sexuality and doesn't want to take ownership of it.

Being gay or lesbian is no more a life style or choice than
heterosexuality is.

Who in their right mind would choose to be gay or lesbian when there
are nutbars like you out there waiting to abuse, harm or kill them?

Post by b***@juno.com
And straight people can deliberately decide to be gay. Read it and
weep, gay propagandists!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56458

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by omprem
It sounds to me like she is still not to comfortable with her
sexuality and doesn't want to take ownership of it.

Usually, when a sentence starts out with "it sounds to me", it proves nothing.
Such is the case here, too.

Post by omprem
Being gay or lesbian is no more a life style or choice than
heterosexuality is.

Sure it is. But if you don't see this, it is probably because you have too
narrow an understanding of the meaning of the word 'choice'. This is a common
error.

Post by omprem
Who in their right mind would choose to be gay or lesbian when there
are nutbars like you out there waiting to abuse, harm or kill them?

People choose lots of things for themselves that are even more dangerous. Again:
you show too narrow an understanding of the meaning of the word 'choice'

The sense you need for the word has to take into account the fact that our
faculty of choice is very hard for even the chooser to understand. It is, as
Solomon says in Proverbs (e.g. 20:5), "deep waters", meaning that one cannot see
what is at the bottom of it. Our choices are not obvious to us, and are often
worked out only over the course of years. That is why Chinese Daoists make a
distinction between "Yang will" which is forceful and quick, and "Yin will",
which is subtle, mysterious and slow, but also very strong.

[B.G. Kent]

Post by omprem
Who in their right mind would choose to be gay or lesbian when there
are nutbars like you out there waiting to abuse, harm or kill them?

B - or try to force them into suppression groups like Exodus which
actually tries to use shock therapy each time you have a gay "thought"....
gimme a break...
NOt one person has been "changed" at Exodus....they've only just had them
repressed and not acting natural....for a time.

Bren

[shegeek72]

Post by omprem
Being gay or lesbian is no more a life style or choice than
heterosexuality is.
Who in their right mind would choose to be gay or lesbian when there
are nutbars like you out there waiting to abuse, harm or kill them?

Points I've made before, but some don't THINK - but would rather
justify their cherished misguided beliefs (a.k.a. sheep mentality) any
way they can, even when it flies in the face of biblical context,
logic and science.

No one wakes up in the morning and says: "I think I'll try being gay/
lesbian today," and risk losing their job, family and face the
possibility of being subjected to harassment, discrimination,
taunting, violence, even murder. As Judge Judy says, "If it doesn't
make sense, it's usually not true."
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[Burkladies]

Post by b***@juno.com
And straight people can deliberately decide to be gay. Read it and
weep, gay propagandists!

If it isn't broke, don't fix it. 'It' in this case is ignorance and
greed from asking someone else to change anything which the Messiah
has granted them. If a person is gay, that is their gift from the
Messiah. Why change a divine gift?
Are you afraid of your own fornication? Fear of personal fornication
is often a reason for someone to say such craziness about someone else
needing to change. Pastors, preachers, pedophile priests,
televangelists, etc. often make such crazy remarks, which tells me how
crazy they are! The Messiah is the only one worth listening to and he
did not give a hoot about gay nonsense.

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by Burkladies

Post by b***@juno.com
And straight people can deliberately decide to be gay. Read it and
weep, gay propagandists!

If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

But it is 'broke'.

[snip]

Post by Burkladies
If a person is gay, that is their gift from the
Messiah. Why change a divine gift?

The answer should be obvious: because your premise is false. It is NOT a "divine
gift".

[snip]

[Burkladies]

How is being born gay NOT a divine gift?
Christ had no issue with sexual orientation, so what is your excuse?
Most gay men and eunuchs I have ever run into are NOT broken and have
succesful careers with more honor than the heterosexual men I have
ever dealt with. They use their gifts from the Messiah, from
procreation, to hospitality and monogamy and are quite good.
Unfortunetly most heterosexual men I have met are stupid, dirty, not
christian or worth my time regardless of what they claim.
Televangelists, preachers, priests, etc. they commit adultery and
apparently can not help themselves. None of them are christian in my
view. Christ wanted monogamy, adultery is meantioned 12 times in the
gospels.
So Matthew, how are you better than someone you don't know? Which is
what this bs amounts to. My balls are better than you balls. Why
judge someone you don't know? Only the Messiah is qualified to judge.

The answer should be obvious: because your premise is false. It is NOT a "divine > gift".

Perhaps you are misinterpreting the letters? Or you are afraid of
your own weakness?


Blessings

Matthew 22:34-40

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by Burkladies
How is being born gay NOT a divine gift?

You are asking the wrong question. A loaded question, too.

Post by Burkladies
Christ had no issue with sexual orientation, so what is your excuse?

An even more amateurish loaded question. The notion of "sexual orientation" is a
19th century notion. He certainly _did_ "have an issue" with people who commit
the unnatural act. That is why His Chosen Vessel spoke out against it so clearly
and loudly in:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not
be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual
perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers
will inherit the kingdom of God.
(1Co 6:9-10)

Post by Burkladies
Most gay men and eunuchs I have ever run into are NOT broken

If you think someone is "not broken", that is a pretty good sign that he _is_
broken;)

[snip]

[shegeek72]

Post by Burkladies
How is being born gay NOT a divine gift?
Christ had no issue with sexual orientation, so what is your excuse?
Most gay men and eunuchs I have ever run into are NOT broken and have
succesful careers with more honor than the heterosexual men I have
ever dealt with. They use their gifts from the Messiah, from
procreation, to hospitality and monogamy and are quite good.
Unfortunetly most heterosexual men I have met are stupid, dirty, not
christian or worth my time regardless of what they claim.

That reminds me of a quote from A. Einstein: Great spirits have always
encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
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[snip]

Post by shegeek72
That reminds me of a quote from A. Einstein: Great spirits have always
encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

A famous quote of his, to be sure. But the way in which you misuse it, quoting
it when it is not at all appropriate, is, unfortunately, even more well known.
But it is infamous, not famous.

After all, just because great spirits encounter violent opposition does NOT mean
that you who are encountering opposition are a great spirit.

[B.G. Kent]

Post by shegeek72

Post by Burkladies
How is being born gay NOT a divine gift?
Christ had no issue with sexual orientation, so what is your excuse?
Most gay men and eunuchs I have ever run into are NOT broken and have
succesful careers with more honor than the heterosexual men I have
ever dealt with. They use their gifts from the Messiah, from
procreation, to hospitality and monogamy and are quite good.
Unfortunetly most heterosexual men I have met are stupid, dirty, not
christian or worth my time regardless of what they claim.

That reminds me of a quote from A. Einstein: Great spirits have always
encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

B - You get a big High five from me!
Keep on keeping on my friend. I sometimes think about Jesus talking about
not casting your pearls before swine...in other words "don't bother trying
to teach those that won't really hear it...want to hear it...or who will
treat said gift with little appreciation. It can be difficult though. Some
folks you think..just maybe..just maybe they will finally "get it"....but
it is such a rareity.

"Those who have ears to hear...will."

apparantly Jesus said this too...
Bren

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by B.G. Kent

Post by shegeek72

Post by Burkladies
How is being born gay NOT a divine gift?
Christ had no issue with sexual orientation, so what is your excuse?
Most gay men and eunuchs I have ever run into are NOT broken and have
succesful careers with more honor than the heterosexual men I have
ever dealt with. They use their gifts from the Messiah, from
procreation, to hospitality and monogamy and are quite good.
Unfortunetly most heterosexual men I have met are stupid, dirty, not
christian or worth my time regardless of what they claim.

That reminds me of a quote from A. Einstein: Great spirits have always
encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

B - You get a big High five from me!

Well, so what? The wicked have always encouraged the wicked to continue in their
wickedness.

[snip]

Post by B.G. Kent
"Those who have ears to hear...will."
apparantly Jesus said this too...

Predictably, you make an appeal to the authority of Jesus's words only when you
miquote Him. No, that is NOT what he "apparently said". What the Gospel reports
Him as saying is quite different, namely, "LET him who has ears to hear, hear".

[Burkladies]

Post by b***@juno.com
And straight people can deliberately decide to be gay.

Heterosexual men need the change. Most heterosexual men I have met,
including but not limited to my ex-hubby are not worth a damn. How
ever most gay men I have met are honorable, monogamous, hospitable,
are proud fathers and sucessful. Obviously gay men have divine gifts
and use them.
Like I said, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Why try to be cursed
and straight?
Men will commit adultery. So men can not change? Propaganda is about
power, not the Messiah. Religious education I was dragged to growing
up catholic taught me that.
So what is there to change? Straight men screwing around, thats what!

Blessings

John 3:16-20

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by Burkladies

Post by b***@juno.com
And straight people can deliberately decide to be gay.

Heterosexual men need the change. Most heterosexual men I have met,
including but not limited to my ex-hubby are not worth a damn.>

If one of us said the corresponding thing about heterosexual women, we would be
branded "misogynists". So what shall we call you? Misanthopist?

Post by Burkladies
How
ever most gay men I have met are honorable, monogamous, hospitable,
are proud fathers and sucessful.

This is obvious nonsense. You simply have no clue what you are talking about.
Either you haven't met very many, or you simply did not understand those you
met.

[snip]

[shegeek72]

On Aug 13, 7:43 pm, the suspect Matthew Johnson

Post by Matthew Johnson
This is obvious nonsense. You simply have no clue what you are talking about.
Either you haven't met very many, or you simply did not understand those you
met.

While you're on the topic of not meeting people, how many transgender
people have you met?
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[Burkladies]

Post by Matthew Johnson
If one of us said the corresponding thing about heterosexual women, we would be
branded "misogynists". So what shall we call you? Misanthopist?

So your offended by truth? ok. Many men are misogynists. That is
nothing new. Men are simple folks is all. That is how the creator
made them. So the truth hurts.

Post by Matthew Johnson

How > >ever most gay men I have met are honorable, monogamous, hospitable,
are proud fathers and sucessful.

This is obvious nonsense.

How is the truth from the Messiah obvious nonsense? My testimony is
not nonsense. But since you have no proof, your merely pontificating
about your honor and insulting other men you don't know in the
process. You simply have no clue what you are talking about.
Either you haven't met very many, or you simply did not understand
those you met. Which I think begs the question, who and what are you
afraid of?

So what men are you talking about? Because the Messiah had no problem
with two folks who are honorable, monogamous and hospitable. The
Messiah spoke on these teachings . So what is your dysfunction?
Because clearly you have one. Are you a brainwashed fundy or
something? Of course you can't answer, you have yet to give an
answer.

Why should any person change from honorable to dishonorable simply
because a stranger insults him? Answer, the stranger is crazy so not
to worry.

Matthew 10:11-14, Matthew 5:27, Matthew 5:44, Matthew 19:12, Matthew
25:35, Acts 15:9-11, Acts 15:20 (NASB)

When was the last time you fed a homeless person or clothed a naked
person?