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Who was the mother of Enoch?
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s***@aaronj.com
2005-06-06 03:51:56 UTC
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Who was the mother of Enoch?

According to the words in all versions of the 'Bible', there was Adam,
Eve, Cain, and Abel.

No other humans in the world but these four people.

Cain kills Abel and thus there were three.

Cain has a son named Enoch.

Who was the mother of Enoch?

BoyntonStu
Jonathan Bartlett
2005-06-07 02:03:21 UTC
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Post by s***@aaronj.com
Who was the mother of Enoch?
According to the words in all versions of the 'Bible', there was Adam,
Eve, Cain, and Abel.
No other humans in the world but these four people.
Incorrect. Genesis 5:4. "The days of Adam after he became the father
of Seth were eight hundred years; and he had other sons and daughters."

Jewish tradition holds that they had 33 sons and 23 daughters.

Marrying a close relative was not forbidden until Leviticus, presumably
because by that time the mutational load each person was carrying from
the fall had built up enough that it was no longer safe.

Jon
Sir Nana
2005-06-08 01:51:05 UTC
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first of all, there were not only four people in the world.

in Gen 1:27
And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him.
He created them male and female.

then God created the garden and

in Gen 2:7
And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

so God created some human being outside the garden and others outside
the garden. those in the garden were living soul because of the breath
of life from God. other outside were not. (those human beings were all
killed in the flood of Noah's time. Noah is in the downline of Adam).

After Abel's death God put a curse on Cain. Cain pleaded and God said
to him
Gen 4:15 And Jehovah said to him, Therefore whoever kills Cain shall
be avenged seven times. And Jehovah set a mark upon Cain so that anyone
who found him should not kill him.

therefore Cain married one of these human beings and begot Enoch.
s***@aaronj.com
2005-06-08 01:51:05 UTC
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Incorrect?

""The days of Adam after he became the father of Seth".


After! That means that there were no other children when Enoch was
conceived.

Who was the mother of Enoch?


BoyntonStu
s***@aaronj.com
2005-06-08 19:40:13 UTC
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Did the folks created before the garden benefit from Adam's eating of
the forbidden fruit?

BoyntonStu
b***@optusnet.com.au
2005-06-11 03:10:23 UTC
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If they weren't sure if it was poisonous or not.

Personally I have a belief in creationism, but I am a bit skeptical
about the family record in Genesis. The Chinese apparently have no
records of extraordinarily long lived people in their history, which
goes back a long way.

However since it was often Jewish custom only to regard the male line
as important, the writers of Genesis may not have thought it necessary
to include female daughters to Eve because the culture of the time
would not have considered the matter important, and readers / hearers
would have assumed Enoch came from Seth and one of Adam's daughters.
As pointed out above genetic load would not have been so important in a
near perfect world (this same genetic load is another argument against
evolution, since species tend to increase in negative mutations as time
goes by, not positive).

And as pointed out above, incest or marrying a close relative was not
forbidden in the very beginning. After all if we all do have only one
female descendant, then obviously there must have been some "incest",
since all the currently alive males have descended from "Eve" as well
as all the females.

I believe examinations of mitochondrial DNA are supposed to indicate
that all humans today seem to have descended from one female. The
reason for mitochondrial DNA being used for this is that we are
supposed to get our mitochondrial DNA from our mother only, whereas our
nuclear DNA comes from both parents. That is what I read somewhere (I
think).

It is a bit uncanny of the ancient Biblical writers, who knew nothing
of genetics, to include in their "myth" that we all have one "mother".
It is also uncanny when Marian apparitions come about nearly 2000 years
after the angel Gabriel declared "Hail Mary, full of grace The Lord is
with you." (The opening lines of the "Hail Mary" prayer for
non-Catholics is nothing more than the words used by Gabriel himself.
The next bit is Elizabeth's cry to Mary, "Blessed are you among women
and blessed is the fruit fof your womb".)

It would seem we all have one spiritual mother as well as well as one
earthly genetic mother. It was Christ who said, "Behold, your
mother!".

And there is of course her declaration to Elizabeth, "From this day
forward all generations will call me blessed".

Bob Crowley.
Betty Jo
2005-06-20 05:45:12 UTC
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Post by s***@aaronj.com
Who was the mother of Enoch?
As I understand the story, there is no reason to think that Adam and
Eve had any children before they were placed in the Garden of Eden,
so all of their descendants were affected by the Fall into sin.

The most precise answer to the question of who Enoch's mother was is
that we don't know. The Scripture does not tell us. I think it is
quite likely, though, that before Enoch was born Adam and Eve had one
or more daughters whose name(s) simply were not mentioned in the
Scripture. It can be observed in genealogical records in other places
in the Bible that the women's names often were not recorded.

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