Jesus is God

[Pahu]

God:
"I, even I, am the LORD [Yahweh];
and beside me there is no savior"
(Isaiah 43:11)

Jesus:
The Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world
(1 John 4:14)

What we choose to do with Jesus
determines what Jesus will do with us.
If we would enter eternal life,
we must repent of our sins,
submit to Jesus Christ as Lord
and obey His
Ten Commandment Law.

[Dave]

Post by Pahu
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If we would enter eternal life,
we must repent of our sins,
submit to Jesus Christ as Lord
and obey His
Ten Commandment Law.

I don't know anyone who has fully obeyed the Ten Commandments,
especially as Jesus interpreted them. According to James 2:10, "For
whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has
become guilty of all." Even the Apostle Paul admits that he has a
problem with sin (Rom 7:14-25). So what happens to someone who submits
to Jesus Christ as Lord but afterward breaks a commandment?

Dave

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by Dave
I don't know anyone who has fully obeyed the Ten Commandments,
especially as Jesus interpreted them. According to James 2:10, "For
whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has
become guilty of all." Even the Apostle Paul admits that he has a
problem with sin (Rom 7:14-25). So what happens to someone who submits
to Jesus Christ as Lord but afterward breaks a commandment?

Like the originator of this thread, you confuse what is required
of the unregenerate man as opposed to the regenerate. ALL the
unregenerate man is called to do is "believe." ALL the regenerate
man is called to do is "confess." The scriptures are clear in their
distinction between these two states. Salvation (justification) is
always the issue with the unregenerate while sanctification is the
issue with the regenerated man. The regenerated man is justified
"once and for all." It is a one time declaration of God. If -scratch
that- *when* he sins, the regenerated man does not lose his
position in Christ. He remains a "son" of God. Adoption in the
Hebrew culture was more binding even than even direct heirship.
A physical son could be disowned but an adopted son was a son
for life with no possibility of disownership.

The prodigal son plays to two audiences. ALso there are two
prodigal sons in that parable for the elder brother was just as
prodigal in that he never authenticated his entitlement. Either
way, a "turning away" once one has become enlightened is
required. To authenticate his calling, the unregenerate must
turn away from self regulation to belief and devotion to Divine
regulation.

Likewise,the regenerated man, when he comes to his senses,
must turn away from his selfish orientation, confess the rebellion,
and then "walk in Spirit."

One is seeking sonship. The other is operating out of sonship.
One requires belief; the other requires confession.

[Dave]

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Post by Dave
I don't know anyone who has fully obeyed the Ten Commandments,
especially as Jesus interpreted them. According to James 2:10, "For
whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has
become guilty of all." Even the Apostle Paul admits that he has a
problem with sin (Rom 7:14-25). So what happens to someone who submits
to Jesus Christ as Lord but afterward breaks a commandment?

Like the originator of this thread, you confuse what is required
of the unregenerate man as opposed to the regenerate. ALL the
unregenerate man is called to do is "believe." ALL the regenerate
man is called to do is "confess."

I don't make any such confusion. I think you missed my point. Pahu
lists three conditions for entering eternal life. But no one meets his
third condition. Believing the third point to be erroneous, I want him
to explain how it doesn't exclude everyone from salvation.

Dave

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by Dave
Pahu
lists three conditions for entering eternal life. But no one meets his
third condition. Believing the third point to be erroneous, I want him
to explain how it doesn't exclude everyone from salvation.

But equally false is the second condition of repentance. Repentance is
an effect caused by regeneration. It cannot occur prior to God's
enablement to receive the call of the Father. "No man seeks after
God." There is a chronology in Christ's declaration: "Truly, truly, I
say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of
God." Regeneration is the prerequisite to turning (repenting) to see
the kingdom offer. Thus the Reformers cry, "Sola fide" with the
footnote that such a faith always produces repentance, "faith without
works is dead."

[Dave]

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Post by Dave
Pahu
lists three conditions for entering eternal life. But no one meets his
third condition. Believing the third point to be erroneous, I want him
to explain how it doesn't exclude everyone from salvation.

But equally false is the second condition of repentance. Repentance is
an effect caused by regeneration. It cannot occur prior to God's
enablement to receive the call of the Father. "No man seeks after
God."

...

It appears that Pahu didn't care enough about his thoughts to stick
around and answer questions about them. Too bad, because I think it
could have led to productive discussions.

Dave

[B.G. Kent]

Post by Dave

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Post by Dave
Pahu
lists three conditions for entering eternal life. But no one meets his
third condition. Believing the third point to be erroneous, I want him
to explain how it doesn't exclude everyone from salvation.

But equally false is the second condition of repentance. Repentance is
an effect caused by regeneration. It cannot occur prior to God's
enablement to receive the call of the Father. "No man seeks after
God."

...
It appears that Pahu didn't care enough about his thoughts to stick
around and answer questions about them. Too bad, because I think it
could have led to productive discussions.
Dave

B - Hmm didn't continue to read this thread...not into reading Isenders
rants and I guess I just did'nt bother but this caught my eye...thanks
Dave. To me there are no "conditions"....because we always have had and
will have eternal life (obviously not continually in this dimension but
continually never the less.)


Just my opinion and part of the discussion.

:)

God Bless,

Bren

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by B.G. Kent
Just my opinion and part of the discussion.

And that is all it is worth because you have no authoritative by which
verify or villify any doctrine. No means of verification. . . no
means
by which to safeguard against error. You cannot defend your opinions
because they grounded in anything but opinion. Do you not see the
seriousness of this? Don't you see the weakness of your opinions,
especially when your eternal future is determined by your belief or
unbelief? You comfort yourself now but what good will that be when
Real Reality stands before? This isn't a kids game. God is not
capricious. Also, life isn't what you make it to be. Life is what
God
determines it to be and in that He had declared that there is but
ONE name underheaven by which to be saved, it means that are not
many ways to save yourself from His wrath. There is but one Way
and that Way is not defined by men but determined by God. His
reality is the only Real Reality. Real Reality is only what God had
determined, not what man has immagined.

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by Pahu
"I, even I, am the LORD [Yahweh];
and beside me there is no savior"
(Isaiah 43:11)
The Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world
(1 John 4:14)
What we choose to do with Jesus
determines what Jesus will do with us.
If we would enter eternal life,
we must repent of our sins,
submit to Jesus Christ as Lord
and obey His
Ten Commandment Law.

What "Ten Commandment Law"? There were 613 OT commandments, and one New
Commandment to fulfill them all: John 13:34:

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved
you, that you also love one another.
(Joh 13:34 RSVA)

[l***@hotmail.com]

Post by Pahu
we must repent of our sins,
submit to Jesus Christ as Lord
and obey His
Ten Commandment Law.

Rom. 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law
through the body of Christ, that you might be joined to another, to
Him who was raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit for God.
Rom. 7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to
that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit
and not in oldness of the letter.

You completely fail in your understanding of Grace.
You completely fail in your comprehension of what Christ did *for* us.
You confuse the issues involved with the unregenerate as to those of
the regenerate.