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TRUTH ON TRIAL PART 6 THE LAMB
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unknown
2008-02-25 00:57:17 UTC
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There are different names in the Hebrew that represent soul and spirit. They are
ruwach H7307 for spirit and nephesh H5315 for soul. The spirit is called wind, by
resemblance breath. The soul is called, a breathing creature. God is a pure spirit and
can not be called a creature. Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful
...... even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit. If you have the word of God
you can distinguish between soul and spirit. The parents fabricate the flesh of a
child. This child can not have life, unless it has a soul. God grants a soul to the
child. At salvation God cleanses the soul, not the body. This removes the weight of
sin. The soul is freed from all sin. The parents can not object, because the soul
belongs to God. Remove the soul and the body dies.

Jesus had the word of God and he could distinguish between soul and spirit. John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh "IS" flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit "IS"
spirit. Two separate births. Not everyone can be born of the spirit. A man is born of
the flesh and has a soul. Then later after salvation, he must enter the court of the
tabernacle and be "born again". There are three levels. The first man is in darkness,
a fish of the sea. Secondly, the saved are the earth, which have entered into the
light. The flocks and herds. The third step is to enter the court and be born in the
spirit. The spirit is essence. It is easer to overcome the soul with a spirit, because
the spirit can be made stronger. These are above the earth in the first kingdom of
heaven.

To be born again, you must come to the Mountain of God. You can not come to the
Mountain until after your trial by fire. A fish from the sea becomes a land animal by
salvation. A flock animal must then enter into the court of the tabernacle for the
birth in the spirit. The arms and legs of the body of the tabernacle are the saved
people. The trunk of the body is for those born again. Salvation happens in an
instant. The birth process takes about three and a half years. Those not born in the
spirit can not tell you about being born again, or the mountain, or the spiritual
court of the tabernacle. Only in the spirit can the spiritual mountain be touched.
John 3:5 Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
kingdom of God. The water birth is in the water of the laver in the court. The flesh
is given a soul. A spirit must be BORN. There is no guarantee that the soul you have,
is not a used soul. However, the spirit must always be a new spirit. Therefore, a
birth must take place. To give an old spirit would constitute possession. Possession
is against free will. It is only the kingdom of evil that will try to possess you.

Looking at the star of David. These are two interlocking triangles. One pointing up
the other pointing down. There are 6 triangles pointing out. For reference only, the
one pointing up will be called "one" the one pointing down will be called "four". The
bottom angle "four" is represented as the church or flock. These have taken advantage
of the salvation that is offered. It is Jesus that supports those that are saved. This
"four" angle is supported by Jesus. Jesus is the foundation of the spiritual world.
Jesus was the first born of God and he upholds all those that are saved. The
foundation of their belief rest on Jesus. The "one" angle pointing up, also
represents Jesus. This top angle, are those that uphold Jesus as the "pinnacle" of the
temple. Isa 28:16. Therefore Jesus is the foundation ( bottom ) and also the pinnacle
( top ). Behold, I lay in Zion for a "foundation" stone, a tried stone, a precious
"pinnacle" stone, a sure foundation: Jesus is the headstone of the temple.

Only after Jesus comes to his temple, will the temple be complete. Mal 3:1. Jesus
built the beginning of the church upon himself, not Peter, as was falsely reported out
of ignorance. Jesus is the sure foundation. Saved people, use Jesus as a foundation
for their belief. These are supported by Jesus and they hold Jesus as their shepherd
and servant. A great King is not a servant. Those born again become the foundation for
the King. The temple is built up to Jesus. These become the support for Jesus as King.
To cross over means to, pass through the court to the Holy Place. The new Jerusalem
and the temple are on Zion. Your trial by fire teach's you how to overcome Satan.
Satan uses distraction as a weapon. As long as you are a threat to Satan, that kingdom
will be after you. If you feel that Satan is not after you, you better look around for
a sneak attack. Satan will use obvious things to distract, and sneak up on you with
something small. You'll find that you are your greatest enemy. Satan is an instigator,
but it is you that veers from the path. You must not only overcome Satan, but yourself
also.

The star of David is prophetic of what is taking place in the spiritual tabernacle.
This Star shows the difference between those saved and those born again. With a circle
around the star there are six angles pointing out and six angles pointing in. The
whole or "all" are, backward or inward. 1 Kings 7:25. This represents the twelve
tribes upholding the molten (blanching) sea or the laver. Therefore, two angles on the
bottom facing up and one on the top facing up. etcetera. Remove angle "one and four"
to see the alter of fire. With it's four horns. The inward and backward represents the
Priest and the prophets. Six of each. The Priest go forward and the Prophet watches
his back. Two by two. Mark 6:7.

The whole star of David represents the journey of man through the court of the
spiritual tabernacle. From being of the flock or church supported "by" Jesus, to being
the temple and "support for" Jesus. 1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up
a spiritual (temple), an holy priesthood, From salvation to birth and beyond.
Therefore man must pass through the court to reach the temple. Rev 2:17 and will give
him a white stone, You must become that stone to fit into the temple. The
transformation from supported to supporter, is called, born again. On top Jesus is no
longer your shepherd, but your king. Those that reach the top part, will have
authority over those on the bottom part. Even into the second heaven. Heb 12:22 But
ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly
Jerusalem. Psa 87:5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her:
and the highest himself shall establish her.

Zec 8:3 Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of
Jerusalem: Every person that is born again, is born on Zion. The whole spiritual
journey through the star of David consist of Jesus at the beginning and Jesus at the
end. The first and the last. Salvation is washed in the blood. You are cleansed by his
righteousness. Righteousness is the blood of the spirit. Then you must be tried by
fire on the alter of fire. Then you are brought to the conception and enter into the
water of the laver. It is the laver in the court of the tabernacle where you are
shaped and formed. Isa 44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from
the womb. The water of the womb is the laver. This is where the flesh is removed
(blanched) and tin is turned into silver and brass into gold. Zec 13:9. These are the
gold streets of the city. You will have entered into a nation of Priest and Prophets
and Prophetess. Jesus entered in first, and was sent back from the first heaven, to
bring others through. This is the way, walk ye in it.

Luke 9:62 No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the
kingdom of God. Looking back is the desire to return to your old ways after crossing
over. Isa 2:4 and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, A corrupt tree will
have false roots. Their roots are the doctrine's they use for support. If you cut down
a corrupt tree (church) with the sword of the Lord. Many times it will grow right
back. However, if you plow them up by their roots, it will not come back. The way to
destroy a false doctrine or tree, is to plow it up and expose it's corrupt roots. You
can tell someone they are wrong a million times and they won't listen. But if you
expose their roots as a false doctrine, they will either love you or hate you. Then
all you will have to do is, unravel the verses that were twisted to support for their
false doctrine.

One false root is, Jesus pre-existed. Psa 89:19 said, Jesus was one chosen from among
the people. These are two conflicting doctrines. One doctrine teaches that Jesus was
of the spirit, previous to his carnal life. The other said Jesus was not of the spirit
until he was born of the spirit. There is one verse right in front of you that
confirms the real truth. Rev 12:11 And they overcame (Satan) by the "blood of the
Lamb",. A lamb can only be counted as a lamb, in it's first year. There are only two
births available. One of the flesh, the other of the spirit. Jesus was not in his
first year in the flesh. Nobody could dispute that. The doctrine that Jesus
pre-existed makes it impossible for Jesus to be called the lamb.

For Jesus to be called a "lamb" he must have been slain during his first year "after"
his spiritual birth. Had Jesus pre-existed, then he was an older spirit, and it would
be impossible to count him as a lamb in his first year. Jesus did what he did, of his
own free will. He was not forced by possession to perform his mission. The doctrine of
the lamb supports Jesus as being the chosen one. The catholic tares doctrine that
Jesus was born of the spirit in an adulterous affair between God and Mary, is false.
Jesus had to be in his first spiritual year "at his death", to be called a Lamb. This
false doctrine was propagated by Satan. Satan deceived the whole world. Rev 12:11 And
they overcame ( the dragon ) by the "blood of the Lamb", There really is, power in
the blood of the "lamb". The ministry time of Jesus corresponds with the three and a
half years of the birth process. Lambs are normally slain between three and seven
months after birth. Jesus was the first to pass through the gate of the Star of David.

THE FIRST WITNESS
B.G. Kent
2008-02-26 02:16:04 UTC
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"not everyone is born of the spirit"? How the heck does a spiritless flesh
bag go walking around then without a spirit? Everyone has a spirit..in my
opinion....God does not have places where it is not there.

Bren
AJA
2008-02-27 02:01:28 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
"not everyone is born of the spirit"? How the heck does a spiritless flesh
bag go walking around then without a spirit? Everyone has a spirit..in my
opinion....God does not have places where it is not there.
In the Bible one finds Jesus' explanation of born _of_ the Spirit. My
emphasis. It doesn't mean that one can be born, as you write above, "without
a spirit".
Take a look at John 3:1 which tells of Nicodemus' meeting with Jesus.
Jesus said to Nicodemus: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born
again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus must not have understood
what Jesus meant, for he asked: "How can a man be born when he is old? Can
he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"

Jesus answered: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water
and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of
the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not
marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' "

Blessings,
Ann
Post by B.G. Kent
Bren
B.G. Kent
2008-02-28 03:06:29 UTC
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Post by AJA
In the Bible one finds Jesus' explanation of born _of_ the Spirit. My
emphasis. It doesn't mean that one can be born, as you write above, "without
a spirit".
Take a look at John 3:1 which tells of Nicodemus' meeting with Jesus.
Jesus said to Nicodemus: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born
B- it is written that Jesus says that.
Bren

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