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What Does a Healthy Church Look Like?
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**Rowland Croucher**
2007-08-07 03:39:22 UTC
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WHAT DOES A HEALTHY CHURCH LOOK LIKE?

A blind man, feeling the leg of an elephant said, "It's like a strong
tree." The second, holding the trunk, reckoned that "It's like a thick
vine." The third blind man, running his hands across the large body of
the elephant, exclaimed, "No, it is like a wide mountain."

The NT Christians were like that. Paul was strong on faith; James on
works. Luke-Acts has a lot about prophets; John hardly mentions them.
The church, says Paul, is like a single body, but has many parts.

Our Lord bluntly targeted the narrow nationalism of his own people,
particularly in stories like the Good Samaritan. Here the 'foreigner' is
a hero. 'Ethnocentrism' is the glorification of my group, leading to a
kind of spiritual apartheid: I'll do my thing and you do yours - over
there. Territoriality ('my place - keep out!') replaces hospitality ('my
place - you're welcome!').

In our global village we cannot avoid relating to 'different others'.
Indeed, marriage is all about two different people forming a unity in
spite of their differences. Those differences can of course be
irritating - for example when a 'lark' marries an 'owl' (but the Creator
made both to adorn his creation).

No one branch of the church has a monopoly on the truth. Differences
between denominations or congregations - or even within them - reflect
the rich diversity and variety of the social, cultural and temperamental
backgrounds from which those people come. But they also reflect the
character of God whose grace is 'multi-coloured'. If you belong to
Christ and I belong to Christ, we belong to each other and we need each
other. Nothing should divide us. So we should accept one another, as we
are each accepted by God (Romans 15:7).

Snoopy was typing a manuscript, up on his kennel. Charlie Brown: 'What
are you doing, Snoopy?' Snoopy: 'Writing a book about theology.' Charlie
Brown: 'Good grief. What's its title?' Snoopy (thoughtfully): 'Have You
Ever Considered You Might Be Wrong?' God's truth is very much bigger
than our little systems.

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shegeek72
2007-08-21 02:56:48 UTC
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On Aug 6, 8:39 pm, **Rowland Croucher**
Post by **Rowland Croucher**
No one branch of the church has a monopoly on the truth.
Indeed, though fundamentalist churches would like to think so.

Simply, a healthy church is one that freely accepts and doesn't judge
and/or try to change people of different gender identities, sexual
orientations, etc. A healthy church welcomes the entire spectrum of
the rainbow of peoples that God creates.

Thank you, Rowland, for your insightful posts. You speak in the spirit
of Christ.
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Matthew Johnson
2007-08-22 02:54:06 UTC
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Post by shegeek72
On Aug 6, 8:39 pm, **Rowland Croucher**
Post by **Rowland Croucher**
No one branch of the church has a monopoly on the truth.
Indeed, though fundamentalist churches would like to think so.
Simply, a healthy church is one that freely accepts and doesn't judge
So you say, but Christ's chosen vessel Paul says otherwise:

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary
to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:8)

You preach a different gospel, so guess what: you are accursed.
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)
shegeek72
2007-08-23 03:34:52 UTC
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On Aug 21, 7:54 pm, the suspect Matthew Johnson
Post by Matthew Johnson
You preach a different gospel, so guess what: you are accursed.
My lesbian friends, and I, will party in hell. :P
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Dave
2007-08-23 03:34:54 UTC
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Post by shegeek72
Simply, a healthy church is one that freely accepts and doesn't judge
and/or try to change people of different gender identities, sexual
orientations, etc. A healthy church welcomes the entire spectrum of
the rainbow of peoples that God creates.
I'm afraid not! The true church is found wherever the Gospel is
preached in its purity, discipline is exercised faithfully, and the
sacraments of baptism and the Lord's Supper are administered according
to the Scriptures.

Regarding church discipline: The purpose of church discipline is
rescue the offender from sin (1 Cor 5:1-5), to maintain the purity of
doctrine in the preaching of the Word, to guard the holiness of the
sacraments (1 Cor 5:6), and to glorify God (1 Cor 5:7). The Scriptures
require that those who preside over local churches exercise the
discipline of excommunication upon those who are guilty of manifest
and notorious sins, yet unrepentant. The pastor should not exercise
the power of excommunication without the congregation. It is his
proper function to guide the congregation in judging each case and, if
the sinner under discipline is found to be impenitent, to publish and
declare publicly as a servant of the church what the congregation has
decided to do (1 Cor 5:1-7, 13). Discipline is to be carried out in
humility (Gal 6:1). Disputes between believers are to be settled like
brothers, outside of court (1 Cor 6:1-11). Instruction is given for
dealing with known sin in Matt 18:15-20 and 1 Cor 5.

Therefore, a healthy church cannot ignore known and open sin those who
participate an what the Bible calls indecent sexual practices (Rom
1:26-27).

Dave
**Rowland Croucher**
2007-08-28 01:09:50 UTC
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Dave wrote:
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Post by Dave
I'm afraid not! The true church is found wherever the Gospel is
preached in its purity, discipline is exercised faithfully, and the
sacraments of baptism and the Lord's Supper are administered according
to the Scriptures.
So there are no Salvation Army or Quaker Christians?

(Am I glad God is not a legalist!)
Post by Dave
Dave
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shegeek72
2007-08-28 01:09:50 UTC
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Post by Dave
I'm afraid not! The true church is found wherever the Gospel is
preached in its purity, discipline is exercised faithfully, and the
sacraments of baptism and the Lord's Supper are administered according
to the Scriptures.
[snip]

The entire premise of your rebuttal - and anyone else's for that
matter, who agrees with you - rests on that the interpretation of
homosexuality in the Bible refers to the loving, longterm, monogamous
relationships of today. An interpretation that I, and many others,
don't share.
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Dave
2007-08-30 02:10:16 UTC
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On Aug 27, 8:09 pm, **Rowland Croucher**
Post by **Rowland Croucher**
Post by Dave
I'm afraid not! The true church is found wherever the Gospel is
preached in its purity, discipline is exercised faithfully, and the
sacraments of baptism and the Lord's Supper are administered according
to the Scriptures.
So there are no Salvation Army or Quaker Christians?
That wouldn't follow? It would just mean that their assemblies may not
be true churches.

Dave

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