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Statistics : fastest growing religion
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robin hood
2008-05-14 00:14:01 UTC
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Depending on the region, there are several candidates for the fastest
growing faith. JHVH witnesses certainly qualify -- in some areas.

Evangelicalism is undergoing a growth explosion in Latin America, but
it has major competition in South America from (yes) ISLAM.

Actually, Islam generally wins as the fastest growing major religion
worldwide, when the focus is global expansion, rather than a single
continent.

A big surprise was Europe, known in history as the Christian
continent, the land of Christendom, the religious culture hearth of
both Protestantism and Catholic-ism, as well as the Orthodox nation-
states. Europe is now a continent wherre the religion of Muhammad is
growing faster than any other religion.

With the decline of faith in our modern world, the younger generation
are starved for something to believe it, and Islam seems poised to
provide something solid, something old and powerful.

Not only are young people in Europe trying out Islam, but the
birthrate differential dramatically favors the religion of the
Prophet. Once-Christian Europe has simply quit having babies. hey,
it's hard work being parents. Only a "third world" religion willing
to get their hands dirty? Pat Buchanan speculates that the West faces
ultimate demise unless they regain the fire of their traditional
faith.

Maybe the old saying is true -- Nature abhors a vaccuum.
AJA
2008-05-15 00:54:36 UTC
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"robin hood" <***@hotmail.com> wrote > Actually, Islam generally wins as
the fastest growing major religion
Post by robin hood
worldwide, when the focus is global expansion, rather than a single
continent.
Is one merely to be worried about numbers?
Post by robin hood
With the decline of faith in our modern world, the younger generation
are starved for something to believe it, and Islam seems poised to
provide something solid, something old and powerful.
Of course Christianity is more solid, older and more spiritually powerful
than the Islamic religions.
Post by robin hood
Once-Christian Europe has simply quit having babies. hey,
it's hard work being parents. Only a "third world" religion willing
to get their hands dirty?
A strange way to put it, to say the least. And why do you think 'third
world' peoples are having more children than Europeans, for instance?
Certainly a willingness to 'get their hands dirty' is not the reason!

Pat Buchanan speculates that the West faces
Post by robin hood
ultimate demise unless they regain the fire of their traditional
faith.
I listen to him. When did he say this and in what context, I wonder?
I think political issues are the driving force behind much of the touted
expansion of Islamic religions. Not all, but certainly many who espouse
Islam are seeming to receive from that teaching permission or even
directives to do really destructive and evil things in the name of their
'faith'- both to other cultures and to their own diverse sects.
Does Islam work to improve living conditions, social inequities, promote the
global community in feeding the hungry, caring for widows and children
better than Christianity?
Not to get hysterical about the growth of the religion of Islam, but be
mindful that it is not merely a religion that is growing here.
Blessings,
Ann
**Rowland Croucher**
2008-05-16 01:57:59 UTC
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On this general subject, I received this important email today:

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14th May 2008


Exaggerated Convert Figures Could Cost Lives

Converts from Islam to Christianity are increasingly concerned about
a=20 number of reports in recent months which have cited astounding
statistics on conversion. It is true =96 and a matter for thankfulness
to God =96 that more Muslims= are now coming to Christ than at any
other time in history. However, they are not converting on the vast
scale alleged in some reports. These false reports, often initiated by
non-Christians and then circulated by Christians, are a matter of
grave concern, not just for those who love truth and accuracy, but
also for the many individuals whose lives are being endangered by the
publicity given to the exaggerated figures.

Muslims view apostasy from Islam as bringing shame and humiliation on
the Muslim community. Publicising that there are large numbers of
converts deepens t= he shame and loss of face. Many Muslims believe
that shame is best removed by the shedding of blood and may therefore
set out to kill not only th e convert= s themselves, but also those
seeking to evangelise Muslims, whether nationa= l evangelists or
Western missionaries. Some may go even further and seek to get revenge
and restore the honour of Islam by attacking any available target they
associate with the =93Christian=94 West.


*Innocence and ignorance*

Why should someone exaggerate the number of converts? There are a
variety of reasons. Sometimes it is an innocent miscalculation when
making estimates in a sensitive context where there can be no firm
figures. For example, an estimate might have been made by asking
leaders of known convert churches or convert groups how many members
are in their particular group and then adding together the answers
given. The error here is that people may attend more than one church
or group from time to time and thus a single individual may have been
counted many times over. Owing to the need for secrecy and the
reluctance to name names, the overlap between groups is not known to
the researcher.

Another innocent mistake comes from cross-cultural missionaries
misinterpreting phenomena which they see. For example, an =93altar
call=94 in some African contexts may result in, say, 1,000 people
=93going forward=94. Someone who grew up in the individualistic
culture of the West may interpret this as 1,000 people deciding to
give their lives to Christ. But in the local culture, probably more
communal and community-minded, many people will simply have gone
forward because they saw others doing so.

Some extreme contextual models of mission, which emphasise very close
identification with Islam, make it virtually impossible to distinguish
converts from those who are still Muslims. Thus figures of
=93converts=94 may include many who are not really Christian
believers.

Sometimes reports appear to have been originated by people unaware
that a historic indigenous Church exists in many Muslim-majority
countries. So when a large Chri stian congregation is seen in, for
example Egypt, the observer assumes that all the worshippers must be
converts from Islam.


*Deliberate disinformation *

Other reasons are less innocent. When the Taliban were still in power
in Afghanistan, a report circulated of huge numbers of Afghan converts
from Islam to Christianity. This originated with a disgruntled Afghan
refugee who had been employed by a Western NGO. When he was dismissed
from his job for dishonesty he retaliated by going to a newspaper and
claiming that large numbers of Afghan Muslims had become Christians.
As he doubtless intended, the message, which was swiftly circulated
around the world by delighted Christians, turned the Afghan government
and people against Christian NGOs, and creating great danger for the
small number of genuine Afghan converts and increased risk for all
Westerners in Afghanistan.

A story that six million African Muslims are becoming Christians every
y ear resulted from claims made by Sheikh Ahmad al Katani of Libya in
a televised interview shown Al-Jazeera. The sheikh=92s aim appeared to
be to alarm Muslim viewers with high figures of Muslims leaving their
faith in order to persuade them to give more generously to Islamic
missionary efforts in Africa.

There has also been a very strong anti-evangelism move within Islam,
aimed at preventing Christian mission work amongst Muslims. By citing
large numbers of converts to Christianity, Muslims inflame Muslim
public opinion against Christian evangelism. Furthermore, since the
invasions of Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003 and the =93war on
terror=94, Muslim leaders have increasingly been arguing that
President Bush=92s policy is to transform the Middle East into a
Christian entity by Christian mission coupled with American military
might. This totally erroneous linkage has created more danger for
Western forces based in Muslim countries as well as for Christian
missionaries, whether expatriate or national.

Sadly, there are also examples of Christians deliberately circulating
inflated figures of converts. These are usually Western organisations
whose financial support depends on the enthusiasm of Christians in
their home countries. Some seem to have been newly created with the
specific purpose of caring for these converts, without having had any
previous involvement with them. It is presumably because of this that
some have claimed absurdly high numbers of converts. Such figures soon
become public and again inflame Muslim sensibilities.

Some Muslims come to Christ through dreams and visions. This has led
to wild stories of whole villages and whole communities becoming
Christians, stories which have never, to Barnabas Fund=92s knowledge,
been substantiated.


*Coming at the worst time *

It will never be possible to quantify how many lives have been lost or
how many ministries damaged as a result of fals ely high claims about
convert numbers. But it behoves all Christians in secure and free
countries to think carefully before publicising convert figures. In
April 1996 the Somali Islamist group al-Itixaad al-Islami announced
that they had succeeded in killing every Somali Christian in the
Somali capital, Mogadishu, and would now move on to eliminating Somali
Christians in Nairobi. Thankfully there are still Somali Christians in
Somalia, but al-Itixaad al-Islami may yet be trying to find and kill
them. Certainly, Somali converts have continued to be assassinated in
Somalia, including three last month: two on 13^th April and another on
22^nd April.

Converts are increasingly concerned at the way in which publicity in
the West is creating extra danger for them. They are further concerned
when some Western Christians have linked converts from Islam to the
political state of Israel. Muslim propaganda is always rife with
conspiracy theories, centring on M uslim converts functioning as
Zionist agents to penetrate Muslim society. The existence of the
internet and email make dangerous misinformation far more readily
circulated and accessed than ever before. Furthermore, this all comes
at a time when Islamic radicalism is on the rise and converts are as a
result facing threats, violence and martyrdom on a scale unknown for
many generations.

Many Muslims are coming to Christ through the faithful witness of
local evangelists, local churches and local ministries. In these
communities the new converts are nurtured and discipled. Others are
coming to Christ through radio and television, both of which media
have well developed counselling programmes to follow up enquirers and
converts. Muslims also find Christ through the miraculous, often going
on to ask local churches or Christian acquaintances to help them
understand their new faith. The idea that new Western initiatives will
deliver millions of Muslim converts who would be uncared for were it
not for the new organisations fails to recognise not only the
excellent work of many long-term Western missionaries and mission
organizations who are serving faithfully, sensitively and
unobtrusively, but also national Christian workers in the Muslim world
who minister unstintingly, sometimes at the cost of their own lives.

The present =93numbers game=94 is proving deadly. While it is good to
highlight in public discussions the issue of Islamic law=92s death
sentence for apostasy, the quoting of provocative numbers in the
Western media is not welcomed by converts. In any case there are many
secret believers known only to God.

*Dr Patrick Sookhdeo,
International Director,
Barnabas Fund*

*Links:*


Daily Prayer Point <http://www.barnabasfund.org/news/news_03.php>
New book from
Patrick Sookhdeo <http://www.barnabasfund.org/resources/resources_02.php>
Prayer Focus Update <http://www.barnabasfund.org/support/pfu.php>

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Jani
2008-05-18 23:50:53 UTC
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Post by **Rowland Croucher**
*Dr Patrick Sookhdeo,
International Director,
Barnabas Fund*
Rowland, you might be interested in soc.religion.islam, which often has
commentary on Sookhdeo's perspective.

Jani
Matthew Johnson
2008-05-15 00:54:36 UTC
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Post by robin hood
Depending on the region, there are several candidates for the fastest
growing faith.
But since when is this a contest?
Post by robin hood
JHVH witnesses certainly qualify -- in some areas.
A lamentable situation, to be sure.
Post by robin hood
Evangelicalism is undergoing a growth explosion in Latin America, but
it has major competition in South America from (yes) ISLAM.
Even more lamentable.
Post by robin hood
Actually, Islam generally wins as the fastest growing major religion
worldwide, when the focus is global expansion, rather than a single
continent.
And this is a bad thing, a very bad thing indeed. Instead of coming to
salvation, these people are throwing it away.
Post by robin hood
A big surprise was Europe, known in history as the Christian
continent, the land of Christendom, the religious culture hearth of
both Protestantism and Catholic-ism, as well as the Orthodox nation-
states. Europe is now a continent wherre the religion of Muhammad is
growing faster than any other religion.
And this situation is very bad indeed, but it should not be cause for fear or
alarm since Christ already told us:

fear not, _little_ flock: for it has pleased your Father to give you [pl.] the
Kingdom (Luk 12:32)

Note well: it does NOT say the Kingdom is given to the religion that is most
numerous, or that wins the most converts. The verse says it is given to
Christians, who therefore do not fear the more numerous or powerful religions.

[snip]
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)
shegeek72
2008-05-18 23:50:53 UTC
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On May 14, 5:54 pm, the suspect Matthew Johnson
Post by Matthew Johnson
But since when is this a contest?
To those who think there's is the only 'true' religion.
Post by Matthew Johnson
Post by robin hood
Actually, Islam generally wins as the fastest growing major religion
worldwide, when the focus is global expansion, rather than a single
continent.
And this is a bad thing, a very bad thing indeed. Instead of coming to
salvation, these people are throwing it away.
Ah, yes. Christianity is good; Islam is bad. Typical black and white
Christian conservative thinking.
Post by Matthew Johnson
Note well: it does NOT say the Kingdom is given to the religion that is most
numerous, or that wins the most converts. The verse says it is given to
Christians, who therefore do not fear the more numerous or powerful religions.
More 'us v. them' conservative Christian thinking that accomplishes
nothing except create divisiveness.
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B
2008-05-16 01:57:58 UTC
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Post by robin hood
Depending on the region, there are several candidates for the fastest
growing faith. JHVH witnesses certainly qualify -- in some areas.
Evangelicalism is undergoing a growth explosion in Latin America, but
it has major competition in South America from (yes) ISLAM.
Actually, Islam generally wins as the fastest growing major religion
worldwide, when the focus is global expansion, rather than a single
continent.
...snip

B - I see forms of paganism rising fast. Whether Paganism,
Christianity , or Islam...as long as people believe in God, Goddess, a
higher power...or deeper power..and are kind to their fellow man and
woman and creature...I could not care less what structure they use to
feel connected. Humanity creates these constructs ....not God (in my
opinion obviously) and the love of God and doing to others what we
would have them do to us is found in all faiths..even the
atheists...some ...follow this belief. God is never lost. What I don't
want is anykind of extremism...violence and that is there whether we
put a faith to it or not....it has nothing to do with God and more to
do with Intolerance and fear.
"Perfect love casts out all fear"
Blessings
Bren
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