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Gene Poole
2006-06-13 01:35:53 UTC
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Christianity in Canada
Sightings 6/12/06

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Christianity in Canada
-- Martin E. Marty

The DEW (Distant Early Warning) signal of Cold War days may have a
religious successor, which we in the U.S. will notice as the Canadian
border becomes newly relevant. For context: I call the global area west of
Poland, across western Europe and through Canada, and the northern U.S.
through Japan, the "Spiritual Ice Belt." It remains chilly or grows
chillier while the southern world (Africa, Central and South America,
southern Asia) and eastern world (Islam, the rim of Asia) heat up
religiously. Most of the U.S. is between chill and heat. And as for
Canada? Mark Noll, a superior historian who just moved from Wheaton
College to the University of Notre Dame, knows Canadian religion as few
U.S. scholars do, and made it the subject of his presidential address to
the American Society of Church History, whose journal Church History (June
2006) published it. I hope my mention of it will prompt a visit to the
library or the study of your friendly neighborhood church historian. Line
one: "What happened to Christian Canada?" Line two: Noll and most others
in the know assume it once was (more) Christian. Now Christian language
and "public theism" are waning or disappearing from public scenes, oaths
of office, holidays, and all that. Christian education in public schools
moves almost to zero from a once secure place. Same-sex marriage support?
Almost a breeze. (We may want to argue about whether that means
de-christianization, but ....)

Catholic church attendance? Down from the former 80 to 90 percents --
especially in Quebec, where attendance is down to 23 percent. Church
attendance overall is about half as large a percentage as in U.S. polls.
Catholic clergy and religious orders? In drastic decline -- and Protestant
clergy ranks are also in decline. There are empty pews in Catholic, United
Church of Canada, and most other kinds of churches, while evangelicalism,
showing some signs of life, still tends to appear sectarian. Noll asks
what has replaced Christianity as the soul of the body of social cohesion
in Canada.

He spends some time contrasting Canadian religion -- which had been more
established, communitarian, and in a "stable nation-state" -- with the
U.S. and its religion, expressed in "more voluntary and individualistic
terms." I care enough about Canada to be content to dwell on what Noll
surveys and surmises, but I also cannot resist thinking of the U.S. as I
read on, since many of the signs he sees could serve as DEW alerts here.
Just as Catholicism and the United Church no longer contribute to social
cohesion and interpretation of life there, Catholicism and mainstream
Protestantism do less so here than they once did. Of course, what in
Canada was "sectarian" is "mainstream
evangelical-pentecostal-fundamentalist-conservative" and prospering here,
especially in the Sun Belt, formerly known as the Bible Belt. But its
one-fourth of America is often so antagonistic to everybody else that it
is polarizing, not providing social cohesion -- and it won't, unless in a
winner-take-all situation, which is called a "theocracy." Noll ends with
some wise comments from British sociologist David Martin, who has a few
words to say about the churches often not having much to say to the
culture. "The decline of preaching has something to do [with it]." Noll's
favored word for describing Canadian de-christianization is "puzzling."
But he throws enough light on the matter that readers may be less puzzled
than before.

Martin E. Marty's biography, current projects, upcoming events,
publications, and contact information can be found at www.illuminos.com.

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B.G. Kent
2006-06-14 03:02:53 UTC
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We have never been big on dogma here. We tend to have a very personal
feeling for Christianity...not big on wailing and emotive displays...not
big on whacking people over the head with Christianity....big proofs of
our devotion. We are Canadian ..for the most part we are quieter...a bit
more studious....a bit more tolerant of diversity(not perfect...but more
tolerant than the U.S.) We can find Florida on a map...we have a more
worldly understanding..in that we have a bit more knowledge of places
outside of our back yard. There are evangelists here..but that kind of
Christianity seems more in keeping with an American mindset. The kind of
mass hysteria that seems to be in the states around abortion issues and
the importance of going to church like in the Southern States...does not
really wash here. There are anti-abortionists and avid church goers..but
it is not on the same scale of the states. We also ofcourse have one tenth
the population.

This is one Canadians opinion shared by quite a few of my friends
actually.

Bren

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* irenic *
2006-06-15 02:19:18 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
We have never been big on dogma here. We tend to have a very personal
feeling for Christianity...not big on wailing and emotive displays...not
big on whacking people over the head with Christianity....big proofs of
our devotion. We are Canadian ..for the most part we are quieter...a bit
more studious....a bit more tolerant of diversity(not perfect...but more
tolerant than the U.S.) We can find Florida on a map...we have a more
worldly understanding..in that we have a bit more knowledge of places
outside of our back yard. There are evangelists here..but that kind of
Christianity seems more in keeping with an American mindset. The kind of
mass hysteria that seems to be in the states around abortion issues and
the importance of going to church like in the Southern States...does not
really wash here. There are anti-abortionists and avid church goers..but
it is not on the same scale of the states. We also ofcourse have one tenth
the population.
This is one Canadians opinion shared by quite a few of my friends
actually.
Bren
And for this Australian's experience in Canada see
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/17347.htm and
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8087.htm

We mustn't stereotype or generalize about any nation, but was it Marshall
McLuhan who said Canadians are the only nation on earth *not* to know their
identity? (They mainly know they're *not* Americans!).
--
Shalom! Rowland Croucher

"If only it were so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere
insidiously committing evil deeds and it were necessary to separate them
from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil
cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy
a piece of his own heart?" Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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Matthew Johnson
2006-06-16 02:46:35 UTC
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In article <Gs3kg.13637$***@trnddc06>, * irenic * says...
[snip]
Post by * irenic *
And for this Australian's experience in Canada see
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/17347.htm and
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8087.htm
That _is_ an interesting article. But I must confess I am puzzled about one
point: why do you ask the original addressee not to share it with anyone outside
the Board, but then publish the whole thing on the Internet?
Post by * irenic *
We mustn't stereotype or generalize about any nation, but was it Marshall
McLuhan who said Canadians are the only nation on earth *not* to know their
identity? (They mainly know they're *not* Americans!).
And yet when you say they can't be led, that _is_ something they have in common
with New Englanders!
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)
B.G. Kent
2006-06-16 02:46:40 UTC
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Post by * irenic *
We mustn't stereotype or generalize about any nation, but was it Marshall
McLuhan who said Canadians are the only nation on earth *not* to know their
identity? (They mainly know they're *not* Americans!).
B - Our nation is not as rooted in stereotype images...the big Cowboy..the
daddy with deep pockets and lots of money...

Okay..we have our Hockey..and our snow...but we do have an identity...it
is just that typical of the "greater" populace it is quieter...not
screamed from the rooftops for fear of looking Unpatriotic.

If you put any country up against United States for screaming the
identity...no one would win. It's there...it's quiet and gently affects
the spirit like a walk in the forest.


Bren (happy Canadian who would'nt want to live anywhere else in the
world).
* irenic *
2006-06-19 16:01:40 UTC
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Post by Matthew Johnson
[snip]
Post by * irenic *
And for this Australian's experience in Canada see
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/17347.htm and
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8087.htm
That _is_ an interesting article. But I must confess I am puzzled
about one point: why do you ask the original addressee not to share
it with anyone outside the Board, but then publish the whole thing
on the Internet?
Good question. Short answer: the passage of time makes it appropriate now
where it wasn't then as certain key players have moved on (in both senses
:-)
Post by Matthew Johnson
Post by * irenic *
We mustn't stereotype or generalize about any nation, but was it
Marshall McLuhan who said Canadians are the only nation on earth
*not* to know their identity? (They mainly know they're *not*
Americans!).
And yet when you say they can't be led, that _is_ something they
have in common with New Englanders!
Really? Didn't know that :-)
--
Shalom! Rowland Croucher

"If only it were so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere
insidiously committing evil deeds and it were necessary to separate them
from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil
cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy
a piece of his own heart?" Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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