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Materialism and Christianity
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norak
2006-12-26 03:14:08 UTC
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According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic,
Protestantism is linked to prosperity and the article seems to suggest
that Protestantism causes economic prosperity.

"The Protestant work ethic is often credited with helping to define the
societies of Northern Europe and other Protestant countries where
Protestantism was strong, such as in Scandinavia, northern Germany,
Great Britain and the United States. In such societies it is regarded
by many observers as one of the cornerstones of national prosperity. It
has been said that people in countries with Protestant roots tend to be
more materialistic, perfectionist, and that they focused more on work,
compared to people many other countries, such as Spain and Italy, where
the people had a more relaxed attitude toward work."

However, in the bible we read that "money is the root of all evil" (1
Timothy 6:9) and that one should focus not on material well-being but
spiritual well-being, so is the outcome of economic prosperity sinful?

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust
destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for
yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and
where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is,
there your heart will be also." (Matthew 6:19-21)

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the
other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You
cannot serve both God and Money," (Matthew 6:24)

Since Protestantism being based on the principle of Sola Scriptura and
since scripture forbids worship of money then the Wikipedia article
about Protestant Work Ethnic confuses me.

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[Church historians are typically not very happy with Weber's argument.
Despite the article, it's not really making money that is the virtue.
It is seeing your vocation as a call from God, and working to the best
of your ability. The idea of vocation is not specific to
Protestantism, but during the Reformation it was reemphasized by a
number of Protestant theologians. Luther and others were concerned
that clergy and monks had been elevated to a superior category of
people. Luther emphasized that any job could be equally God's calling.
I do agree that this can develop into materialism. Of course there are
similar movements in support of lay vocations in Catholicism. --clh]
l***@hotmail.com
2006-12-29 03:00:33 UTC
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I would suggest you read Os Guinness' "The Call." He discusses
calling and vocation and resolves them as being one and the same.

Also, you should distinquish between philosophical materialism
and worldly materialism. Of the later Christ clearly taught that
the reality was that we should consciously be aware that we
will be held accountable for what we do or don't do with out
wealth. It was the fool who placed his money in a cloth purse
instead of a heavy leather purse. The first represented this
world which was passing away while the later represented
storing up our treasure in heaven.

"You can't take it with you" is a lie. Invested wisely, the
Christian can take it _all_ with him/her.
Bob
2006-12-30 02:53:31 UTC
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Post by l***@hotmail.com
Also, you should distinquish between philosophical materialism
and worldly materialism. Of the later Christ clearly taught that
the reality was that we should consciously be aware that we
will be held accountable for what we do or don't do with out
wealth. It was the fool who placed his money in a cloth purse
instead of a heavy leather purse. The first represented this
world which was passing away while the later represented
storing up our treasure in heaven.
I have often wondered about the materialism of "megachurches" (often
Baptist) that are becoming so popular today. You know the ones that
cover at least a city block, won't let you be a member unless you tithe
(and have to show a paycheck stub to prove it), always adding new
buildings/gyms, etc. Little-to-no tithe funding is used to support
charitable works outside their empire. Yet people belonging to,and
donating to, these churches believe they are "doing the will of God".
One often hears that doing good works will not get you to heaven, but I
believe belonging to these obviously materialistic churches will not
get you there either. I think the Amish have the best philosophy - no
church buildings. They meet in barns or houses and use the money saved
to help each other.

Bob
zach
2006-12-29 03:00:34 UTC
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Post by norak
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic,
Protestantism is linked to prosperity and the article seems to suggest
that Protestantism causes economic prosperity.[...] in the bible we read that "money is the root of all evil" (1
Timothy 6:9) and that one should focus not on material well-being but
spiritual well-being, so is the outcome of economic prosperity sinful?
That is a loaded question, and you are misquoting The Bible.

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surety
2006-12-30 02:53:32 UTC
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Post by zach
Post by norak
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic,
Protestantism is linked to prosperity and the article seems to suggest
that Protestantism causes economic prosperity.[...] in the bible we read that "money is the root of all evil" (1
Timothy 6:9) and that one should focus not on material well-being but
spiritual well-being, so is the outcome of economic prosperity sinful?
That is a loaded question, and you are misquoting The Bible.
.
It is true we have an often misquoted quote. The passage does say "It
is the LOVE of money that is the root of all (some say many) evils. So
we do see many wealthy saints who's heart was not in their wealth such
as Abraham, David, and Lot.
I think the temptation goes from working as unto God/God blesses with
wealth/working to keep up the wealthy status. The last phase is the
spiritual downfall of each nation and individual. Even as believers
most of us are lousy at handling wealth properly.
-richard

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