I am sick of racistic Christians

[BabaTurk, The Wise]

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:02:21 +0200, "BabaTurk, The Wise"

Who else is fed up with it?

I am sick of racistic Christians.
Who else is not fed up with it?

What has Islam to do with race, exactly?

Islam has nothing todo with race.
It was the Christian religion which lead to anti-semitism, nationalism, racism, and nazism...

Do you forget the racism of the Quran? In this book there are hundreds
of verses which despise or curse the unbelievers or the Jews. This
book urge muslims to kill Jews and unbelievers. This is not racism???

The same kind of sh*t you can find also in the Bible.

Islam is the worst racist religion of the history and you are trying
to feign to be unaware of it. In these times, muslims are responsible
of the murder of thousands of unbelievers worldwide.

LOL! You are making cheap disinformation propaganda.
Like in the past also today it is the CHRISTIANS who are
responsible for mass killing of people, for example in
Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya and many other places.

Historically it was the Christian religion which killed the most
number of people on earth.
Christian religion has a built-in racism, especially against Jews.
Remember it was the Christian thinking which lead to NAZI ideology
and Auschwitz etc... Nice religion, is it?...

And: just see the dumb Christian racist Anti-Islam postings here:
true Christians should be ashamed of such people in their rows...
Are they? Why not? See above...

All religions are IMO BS. Because of this I'm an atheist.
My point is that it is unfair to blame Islam when the Christian
religion is more guilty; one just needs to study the history...

Do you remember Beslan?

Yes, it was a shameful action by the terrorists, but
Beslan has nothing to do with religion.
FYI: Chechnya is invaded by Russia.
And most of the victims in Beslan were killed by the Russian forces.

For more info:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3293441.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya

And: do you know what Christians did in South and North America,
and in Australia?...
Do you know who started the WWI?
Do you know who started the WWII?
Believe me Christians are more guilty then anybody else on earth.
You are just a victim of the media propaganda against the Muslims.

[Matthew Johnson]

In article <fYokg.6394$***@trnddc07>, BabaTurk, The Wise says...

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Post by BabaTurk, The Wise

Do you remember Beslan?

Yes, it was a shameful action by the terrorists, but
Beslan has nothing to do with religion.

I know you find that comforting to believe, but no, that is not true.
They would not find so many bandits ready to carry out suicide attacks
if not for the false comfort the Koran provides.

Post by BabaTurk, The Wise
FYI: Chechnya is invaded by Russia.

You have the gall to say this after accusing the other poster of
spreading propaganda and disinformation? Russia took Chechnya by right
of conquest in the 19th century. By international law, if you take a
land by right of conquest and hold it against all takers for 50 years,
it is yours to keep. Russia has done this. Chechnya is a part of
Russia.

Post by BabaTurk, The Wise
And most of the victims in Beslan were killed by the Russian forces.

Nobody really knows that. Besides: even if the bullet that killed a certain
child was fired by the Ossete (not Russian) MVD forces, the ultimate
responsibility still lies with the Chechen bandits who kidnapped children and
used them as human shields.

Post by BabaTurk, The Wise
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3293441.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya

Did you even _read_ the page before you cited it? The Wikipedia page says quite
clearly:

Chechnya ... is a federal subject of Russia (a republic).

So they got that right. Will you?

Post by BabaTurk, The Wise
And: do you know what Christians did in South and North America,
and in Australia?...
Do you know who started the WWI?
Do you know who started the WWII?
Believe me Christians are more guilty then anybody else on earth.
You are just a victim of the media propaganda against the Muslims.

[B.G. Kent]

B - Sigh... all people Can be racists or bigoted. It has nothing to do
with religion. I am a Christian..I am not racist. I hope that I will never
be bigoted. Bigotry is born of ego...a need to be "right" and "the best".

It comes down to a concept of Us vs. them. We don't see the Unity of us
all...we don't see the fact that we are ONE in God. Look in all faiths and
you will find similar passages...similar things. Be good to people, treat
others with love, take care of others and have compassion...these are
passages of God..not man. Man out of fear is divisive...wanting to protect
"family" from what they see as "outside the family"...that is like the arm
wanting to protect itself from the rest of the body. It makes no sense.
Instead of seeing
difference.....we should focus on how we are all the same in God...for in
that you will find Love and perfection and ultimate knowing. The
differences are there....but focus on the similarities please! for the
love of God.


In my opinion of what I believe is the Christ self coming through.
Bren

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Matthew Johnson

Post by BabaTurk, The Wise
FYI: Chechnya is invaded by Russia.

You have the gall to say this after accusing the other poster of
spreading propaganda and disinformation? Russia took Chechnya by right
of conquest in the 19th century. By international law, if you take a
land by right of conquest and hold it against all takers for 50 years,
it is yours to keep. Russia has done this. Chechnya is a part of
Russia.

When bombs were raining down on the bridges of Belgrade, when Nato (the North
Atlantic Terrorist Organisation) acting as the air force of UCK terrorists,
many of the citizens of Belgrade held up signs saying "Free Texas", to which
the US has no better title than Russia to Chechnya or Serbia to Kosovo. Let's
not mention Hawaii.
--
The unworthy deacon,
Stephen Methodius Hayes
Contact: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
Orthodox mission pages: http://www.orthodoxy.faithweb.com/

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[This is not the right newsgroup for a discussion of the politics of
Chechnya. Any continuations of this thread should relate to
Chritianity. --clh]

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Post by BabaTurk, The Wise

Islam is the worst racist religion of the history and you are trying
to feign to be unaware of it. In these times, muslims are responsible
of the murder of thousands of unbelievers worldwide.

LOL! You are making cheap disinformation propaganda.
Like in the past also today it is the CHRISTIANS who are
responsible for mass killing of people, for example in
Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya and many other places.

I think the point was that only Islam in modern times produces the
fanaticism that can lead to the phenomenon of suicide bombers, and
rightly or wrongly, people focus in on suicide bombers far more than
they would on 'governments' (and in your examples, it is secular
governments doing the killing, not 'Christians'). I am no fan of
Christianity, but I have to say that one never hears of Catholic,
Protestant, Jewish, Hindu or Sikh suicide bombers. There is something
about Islam that very worryingly produces a distinct breed of
irrationalism, albeit in a small minority of the whole muslim population

[Burkladies]

Beatitudes 10,11 always remind me of religious extremists & other
fundamentalist type of christians.
Matthew 5:10-11 (New International Version)
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for
theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
I always think of these Beatitudes when discussing "racistic
Christians". I think of the ignorant folks & pray for them as they
throw their sorcery around.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Burkladies
I always think of these Beatitudes when discussing "racistic
Christians". I think of the ignorant folks & pray for them as they
throw their sorcery around.

Genteel ladies were urged to close their eyes and think of england.

[B.G. Kent]

Post by Burkladies
Beatitudes 10,11 always remind me of religious extremists & other
fundamentalist type of christians.
Matthew 5:10-11 (New International Version)
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for
theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
I always think of these Beatitudes when discussing "racistic
Christians". I think of the ignorant folks & pray for them as they
throw their sorcery around.

B - What does "race" have to do with ones religion?
Sorcery? hehehehehee....I find that funny.....never mind why...but I
really really do find that funny.



Bren

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Post by d***@ntlworld.com
I think the point was that only Islam in modern times produces the
fanaticism that can lead to the phenomenon of suicide bombers,

Actually, Tamil nationalists were "pioneers" in modern suicide bombing.
It is my understanding that they were blowing themselves up before the
Palestinians were doing it.

Also, it is kind of weird to me that "suicide bombing" is singled out
as a phenomena and is seen as a lot worse than someone flying a plane
and dropping a bomb on civilians.
and

Post by d***@ntlworld.com
I am no fan of
Christianity, but I have to say that one never hears of Catholic,
Protestant, Jewish, Hindu or Sikh suicide bombers.

I think the Tamil Tigers are largely Hindu.

Post by d***@ntlworld.com
There is something
about Islam that very worryingly produces a distinct breed of
irrationalism, albeit in a small minority of the whole muslim population

I think there is something distinct about the current desperate
political and economic position of Muslims in certain parts of the
world. And if Muslims were in a different situation you would probably
see suicide bombings disappear. The Japanese used kamikazees in WWII
but you don't see that nowadays.

Abdul-Halim

[B.G. Kent]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Burkladies
I always think of these Beatitudes when discussing "racistic
Christians". I think of the ignorant folks & pray for them as they
throw their sorcery around.

Genteel ladies were urged to close their eyes and think of england.

Rather silly eh? as if that would get you off.

;)

Bren

[Steve Hayes]

Post by a***@gmail.com
Actually, Tamil nationalists were "pioneers" in modern suicide bombing.
It is my understanding that they were blowing themselves up before the
Palestinians were doing it.

So now we have Hinduism, but what about Shinto? Weren't there kamikaze pilots
in the Second World War who did that?

Post by a***@gmail.com
Also, it is kind of weird to me that "suicide bombing" is singled out
as a phenomena and is seen as a lot worse than someone flying a plane
and dropping a bomb on civilians.
and

Quite.

And also consider that people flying aircraft into buildings so that they died
is described by some as "cowardly" whereas dropping bombs on people from a
zizzy height where they can't shoot back is not.

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Post by a***@gmail.com
I think there is something distinct about the current desperate
political and economic position of Muslims in certain parts of the
world. And if Muslims were in a different situation you would probably
see suicide bombings disappear. The Japanese used kamikazees in WWII
but you don't see that nowadays.
Abdul-Halim

The Japanese used their suicide bombers against an opposing military
force. Today's Muslim suicide bombers use their force against their own
civilian countrymen and that is what I cannot understand. Who incites
these individuals to randomly kill anyone near them? Is it the
religious leaders? Please explain "the distinct situation" you speak
of. I'm not arguing - I'm trying to understand the rationale of these
people.

Enuf

[d***@ntlworld.com]

Post by a***@gmail.com

Post by d***@ntlworld.com
I think the point was that only Islam in modern times produces the
fanaticism that can lead to the phenomenon of suicide bombers,

Actually, Tamil nationalists were "pioneers" in modern suicide bombing.
It is my understanding that they were blowing themselves up before the
Palestinians were doing it.

Fair point

Post by a***@gmail.com
Also, it is kind of weird to me that "suicide bombing" is singled out
as a phenomena and is seen as a lot worse than someone flying a plane
and dropping a bomb on civilians.

This is because the public accepts the argument that civilians are
killed 'collaterally' rather than deliberately, whereas there is
something uniquely deliberate about suicide bombing

Post by a***@gmail.com

Post by d***@ntlworld.com
I am no fan of
Christianity, but I have to say that one never hears of Catholic,
Protestant, Jewish, Hindu or Sikh suicide bombers.

I think the Tamil Tigers are largely Hindu.

Again, fair point

Post by a***@gmail.com

Post by d***@ntlworld.com
There is something
about Islam that very worryingly produces a distinct breed of
irrationalism, albeit in a small minority of the whole muslim population

I think there is something distinct about the current desperate
political and economic position of Muslims in certain parts of the
world. And if Muslims were in a different situation you would probably
see suicide bombings disappear.

I recognise what muslims such as the Palestinians have been through.
I'm not sure if you are recognising the wrong of suicide bombing.
Certainly I can tell you this for sure...suicide bombing against
innocents cannot ever be justified, no matter what injustice suffered
or desperation felt by the perpetrator. I can tell you this too: in
Iraq the insurgents are not going through what the Palestinians go
through - but they are still suicide bombing. They are doing this
because they are indoctrinated to believe they are doing the right
thing in the most frighteningly irrational way. There is no God who is
going to reward them

Post by a***@gmail.com
The Japanese used kamikazees in WWII
but you don't see that nowadays.

And that was taking patriotism to irrational heights. Fools

[gilgames]

<<
The Japanese used their suicide bombers against an opposing military
force. Today's Muslim suicide bombers use their force against their own
civilian countrymen and that is what I cannot understand.
against the traitors and cooperators. The French people did the same
during WWII. The4 treators and cooperators represent the unreachable enemy

[Steve Hayes]

Post by e***@hotmail.com
The Japanese used their suicide bombers against an opposing military
force. Today's Muslim suicide bombers use their force against their own
civilian countrymen and that is what I cannot understand. Who incites
these individuals to randomly kill anyone near them? Is it the
religious leaders? Please explain "the distinct situation" you speak
of. I'm not arguing - I'm trying to understand the rationale of these
people.

It is quite common for those who resist invasions to kill their fellow
countrymen who collaborate with the invaders, regardless of religion.