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More proof that gay people can change to straight
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b***@juno.com
2007-07-05 00:33:54 UTC
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Yep, it happens. And this was the editor of Young Gay America, no
less.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56487

If you are a gay person, know this: even though you were born with gay
tendencies, this does not automatically re-define it into a non-sin.
From the genetic causes of alcoholism, to all other sins, every single
sin we ever commit is a tendency we are born with.

The reason why gayness is a sin, is because it is self-destructive.
Anal sex causes lacerations that weakens the anus, so that gay people
cannot hold in their own feces later in life. Face it. You know it to
be true. Gayness, although inborn as a tendency, remains sinful
regardless, because of its self-destructive nature.

So escape from the prison of gayness. It can be done, and you just
need to ask Jesus to help you. He loves you, born gay and all, and
wants to help you heal yourself from your inborn sin tendency.
B.G. Kent
2007-07-05 23:56:08 UTC
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Post by b***@juno.com
Yep, it happens. And this was the editor of Young Gay America, no
less.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56487
If you are a gay person, know this: even though you were born with gay
tendencies, this does not automatically re-define it into a non-sin.
From the genetic causes of alcoholism, to all other sins, every single
sin we ever commit is a tendency we are born with.
The reason why gayness is a sin, is because it is self-destructive.
Anal sex causes lacerations that weakens the anus, so that gay people
cannot hold in their own feces later in life.
B - but straight people who have anal sex can hold in their own feces?
I have a gay friend Bimms...who has never had anal sex...so where is his
supposed sin? How about the lesbians?

Bren
b***@juno.com
2007-07-09 02:18:14 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
B - but straight people who have anal sex can hold in their own feces?
I've already explained to you that straight people who have anal sex
have the same problem. That is why I have heard that certain female
porn stars from the seventies have to wear diapers nowadays.
Post by B.G. Kent
I have a gay friend Bimms...who has never had anal sex...so where is his
supposed sin? How about the lesbians?
I have also had gay friends in the past. Unfortunately, I did not try
very hard to keep in contact with them, and at the time I did not
understand that gayness was still sinful even though inborn. I
thought, "hey, if they are born with it, that automatically means it
is non-sinful." Boy was I ever wrong.

However, It is not sin to just have gay tendencies. The sin is to have
sex with somebody of the same gender. Just having gay feelings is not
sinful. It is the ACTION that is sinful.

Lesbians are different. As I've posted in another article, the British
professor just "decided" to become a lesbian, because she was working
on "feminist" causes. And so her sin was to abandon her own husband,
who she even admitted "took it badly."

Lesbianism seems a totally different thing from male gayness. Male
gayness is all about objectified sexual lust, (treating the other man
as an object) whereas lesbianism seems to be more about emotional
support between women who are "damaged goods." It seems like lesbians
have usually been poorly treated by men, so they "give up" on men and
try to find "love" in other women.

For this I blame men, since not many men these days subscribe to the
old ideals of chivalry. (opening doors, showing respect, sending
flowers, and all the rest of it. Think Pride and Predudice by Jane
Austen). The more men act like pigs, the more lesbians there will be,
is my prediction.

Gay men are treating one another as sexual objects, and lesbians have
usually been treated as objects by evil men. The common thread between
them is the objectification of human bodies as sexual tools, rather
than emotional and spiritual bonding on the deepest levels.
B.G. Kent
2007-07-09 22:26:27 UTC
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Post by b***@juno.com
Post by B.G. Kent
B - but straight people who have anal sex can hold in their own feces?
I've already explained to you that straight people who have anal sex
have the same problem. That is why I have heard that certain female
porn stars from the seventies have to wear diapers nowadays.
B - and you've heard this where? please name sources.
Post by b***@juno.com
Post by B.G. Kent
I have a gay friend Bimms...who has never had anal sex...so where is his
supposed sin? How about the lesbians?
thought, "hey, if they are born with it, that automatically means it
is non-sinful." Boy was I ever wrong.
B - and you still just may be .
and you did not answer the lesbian question.
Post by b***@juno.com
However, It is not sin to just have gay tendencies. The sin is to have
sex with somebody of the same gender. Just having gay feelings is not
sinful. It is the ACTION that is sinful.
B - and yet if to think of having sex with a woman that you are not
married to you have already done it .....so how is one thing in the Bible
taken literally not the same as others taken literally?
Post by b***@juno.com
Lesbians are different. As I've posted in another article, the British
professor just "decided" to become a lesbian, because she was working
on "feminist" causes. And so her sin was to abandon her own husband,
who she even admitted "took it badly."
B - She's not a lesbian...she's a woman who does not know her
labels...which might be a good thing really. She's bisexual if she still
fancies sex with men as well. No one "turns lesbian".....they only open up
to parts of themselves buried perhaps.
In my opinion.
Post by b***@juno.com
Lesbianism seems a totally different thing from male gayness. Male
gayness is all about objectified sexual lust, (treating the other man
as an object) whereas lesbianism seems to be more about emotional
support between women who are "damaged goods." It seems like lesbians
have usually been poorly treated by men, so they "give up" on men and
try to find "love" in other women.
B - and what do you think of women who have never been treated badly by
men? I have a few friends that have always loved women..wanting sex with
just women and have even wonderful friendships with men. You can't just
pidgeon hole people.
Post by b***@juno.com
For this I blame men, since not many men these days subscribe to the
old ideals of chivalry. (opening doors, showing respect, sending
flowers, and all the rest of it. Think Pride and Predudice by Jane
Austen). The more men act like pigs, the more lesbians there will be,
is my prediction.
B - I can just see this now...."why did I become a lesbian? oh...because
Bob didn't open the door for me!! the beast!!"
Post by b***@juno.com
Gay men are treating one another as sexual objects, and lesbians have
usually been treated as objects by evil men. The common thread between
them is the objectification of human bodies as sexual tools, rather
than emotional and spiritual bonding on the deepest levels.
B - and yet there are gay male couples who have been together for
years..and lesbian couples..with families and children and even a big old
gay dog ......................that kinda shoots your theory out of the
water.

Bren
b***@juno.com
2007-07-11 02:04:16 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
B - and you've heard this where? please name sources.
Here ya go, a medical study about the harmful effects of anal sex:

http://www.jrsm.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/3/144
Post by B.G. Kent
B - and you still just may be .
and you did not answer the lesbian question.
Yes I did, later on. But Lesbianism is harmful for different reasons,
such as breast cancer is higher in lesbians.
Post by B.G. Kent
B - and yet if to think of having sex with a woman that you are not
married to you have already done it .....so how is one thing in the Bible
taken literally not the same as others taken literally?
They are both taken literally. Having a tendency to lust is not sinful
(we are all born with that) , but dwelling on that lust is. Likewise,
if a gay person just has a tendency to be a lustful gay person, that
is different from dwelling and obsessing about gay lust. (or acting on
it).
Post by B.G. Kent
B - She's not a lesbian...
Oh, really? And what gives you the right to inform her that she is not
a lesbian, when she says that she is?

Do you know more about her than she does?
Post by B.G. Kent
labels...which might be a good thing really. She's bisexual if she still
fancies sex with men as well. No one "turns lesbian".....they only open up
to parts of themselves buried perhaps.
In my opinion.
That is your opinion, but the woman says otherwise. I would like to
know why you think you have the right to force her into your narrow
minded categories. She says that she "turned lesbian." So what gives
you the right to say that she is wrong?

Face it, Bren. YOU ARE WRONG! Just admit it. YOU ARE WRONG!
Post by B.G. Kent
B - and what do you think of women who have never been treated badly by
men? I have a few friends that have always loved women..wanting sex with
just women and have even wonderful friendships with men. You can't just
pidgeon hole people.
First of all, I would like you to prove this statement.

Secondly, even if it is true, they may have blocked out or repressed
negative childhood memories of men.
Post by B.G. Kent
B - I can just see this now...."why did I become a lesbian? oh...because
Bob didn't open the door for me!! the beast!!"
It goes way beyond not opening doors. Men rape women, sexually harrass
them, fondle them, intimidate them, and so on. I saw it all the time
when I was in Junior High and High School.
Post by B.G. Kent
B - and yet there are gay male couples who have been together for
years..and lesbian couples..with families and children and even a big old
gay dog ......................that kinda shoots your theory out of the
water.
Just because people stay together a long time, has nothing whatsoever
to do with either my theory, or the fact of the matter.
Andy
2007-07-12 00:35:47 UTC
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Post by b***@juno.com
Post by B.G. Kent
B - and you've heard this where? please name sources.
http://www.jrsm.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/3/144
What about gay people that DON't have anal sex?

What about straight people that DO have anal sex?

I hope that doesn't sound too flip.

Typically the talk about anal sex is only applied to gay men....but many,
many straight men/women also engage in the same practice.
B.G. Kent
2007-07-12 00:35:48 UTC
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Post by b***@juno.com
Post by B.G. Kent
B - and you've heard this where? please name sources.
http://www.jrsm.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/3/144
B - Very interesting...and from 1993. I have yet to see the same recently
done on people who use sufficient lubricants each time
they have anal sex. If a woman who does not produce enough moisture has
vaginal sex she too can damage her vagina if she does not use lubricants.
I would reckon this is more about being intelligent than in anal sex per
se.

I have read this article
from http://www.medicinenet.com/fecal_incontinence/article.htm

Bowel or fecal incontinence is the loss of voluntary control of stool, or
bowel movements. This condition can vary from being partial, in which a
person loses only a small amount of liquid waste, to complete, in which
the entire solid bowel movement cannot be controlled.

Bowel incontinence affects about 10% of the U.S. population. Both men and
women suffer from this problem, though it is more common in women because
of injury to the anal muscles or nerves that can occur during childbirth.
Bowel incontinence becomes more common with advancing age as the muscles
that control bowel movements (anal sphincter muscles) weaken.

Often, embarrassment and the stigma associated with incontinence prevent
people from seeking treatment, even when incontinence affects his or her
quality of life. Many people resort to altering their social and physical
activities, even their employment, to cope with the problem. In addition,
some people with bowel incontinence do not see a doctor because they just
don't realize that their problem can be effectively treated. It's
important to understand that bowel incontinence is not uncommon and can be
successfully treated.

What Causes Bowel Incontinence?

Normal control of bowel movements depends on proper functioning of the
colon and rectum, the muscles surrounding the anus (anal sphincter
muscles), the brain and the body's nerves (the nervous system), plus the
amount and consistency of waste products produced.

There are many causes of bowel incontinence, including:

Damage or injury to the anal sphincter muscles or the nerves surrounding
these muscles
Anal surgery for another condition
Certain medications, such as antibiotics or Neurontin
Improper diet
Radiation treatment to the lower pelvic region
Chemotherapy
Stroke
Conditions associated with chronic diarrhea or constipation
Systemic (whole-body) diseases such as diabetes or scleroderma
Spinal cord damage


Note it says nothing about anal sex.
But Lesbianism is harmful for different reasons,
Post by b***@juno.com
such as breast cancer is higher in lesbians.
B - this has nothing to do with lesbianism..this has to do with not having
children at an earlier age.
Post by b***@juno.com
Post by B.G. Kent
B - She's not a lesbian...
Oh, really? And what gives you the right to inform her that she is not
a lesbian, when she says that she is?
B - Knowledge.
Post by b***@juno.com
That is your opinion, but the woman says otherwise. I would like to
know why you think you have the right to force her into your narrow
minded categories. She says that she "turned lesbian." So what gives
you the right to say that she is wrong?
B - my mouth and my ability like everyone to have an opinion.
Post by b***@juno.com
Face it, Bren. YOU ARE WRONG! Just admit it. YOU ARE WRONG!
B - I will when I am.
Post by b***@juno.com
Post by B.G. Kent
B - and what do you think of women who have never been treated badly by
men? I have a few friends that have always loved women..wanting sex with
just women and have even wonderful friendships with men. You can't just
pidgeon hole people.
First of all, I would like you to prove this statement.
B - That you can't pidgeonhole people? or that my friends are like this?
What are the parameters of proving it?
Post by b***@juno.com
Secondly, even if it is true, they may have blocked out or repressed
negative childhood memories of men.
B - prove that.
Post by b***@juno.com
Post by B.G. Kent
B - and yet there are gay male couples who have been together for
years..and lesbian couples..with families and children and even a big old
gay dog ......................that kinda shoots your theory out of the
water.
Just because people stay together a long time, has nothing whatsoever
to do with either my theory, or the fact of the matter.
B - Nor do facts it seems.
It is your opinion ....like mine.

Bren
Matthew Johnson
2007-07-13 04:20:09 UTC
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In article <EHeli.29831$***@trnddc06>, B.G. Kent says...
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Post by B.G. Kent
B - I will when I am.
Not true. For you have had many opportunities to do so since you started posting
here, since you are SO often wrong. But not once have you admitted it.

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B.G. Kent
2007-07-13 04:20:10 UTC
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Post by Andy
Post by b***@juno.com
Post by B.G. Kent
B - and you've heard this where? please name sources.
http://www.jrsm.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/3/144
What about gay people that DON't have anal sex?
What about straight people that DO have anal sex?
I hope that doesn't sound too flip.
Typically the talk about anal sex is only applied to gay men....but many,
many straight men/women also engage in the same practice.
B - Hi Andy...I've asked the very same questions!

Bren
ps. my best male friend ...whom I've known for 31 years is gay. He has
never had anal sex...nor does he want it.

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