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The Secret to Snape
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p***@dodgeit.com
2006-08-10 03:26:44 UTC
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I have to say, most people are going about this whole Snape thing
wrong. I hear "Snape will really turn out to be good," or "I can't
believe Snape turned out to be evil" everywhere I go.

Snape is neither good NOR evil. He is simply human.

The answer lies, and has always lain, with the hints and parallels in
the Harry Potter series to the Chronicles of Narnia series, which in
turn drew its parallels with the Jesus/Judas story of the Christian
Bible. Rowling has publically admitted her great influcence by Lewis's
series, and it's apparent that Lewis's "Deep Magic" is Rowling's "Old
Magic." I.E., the sacrifice of a willing victim in order to protect
another is the strongest magic of all.

To solve the mystery of Snape and why he did what he did in Half-Blood
Prince, take a look at the parallels to Judas and Jesus in Christianity
(converted by Lewis to "Edmund and Aslan", converted to "Snape and
Dumbledore" in Harry Potter.)

Admittedly, both Jesus and Judas had suspicions of what was to happen
before the betrayal, but does that mean that Judas was never Jesus's
friend? No. He was just seduced by evil in the end. Does that mean that
Jesus didn't willingly set Judas up a bit by keeping him as his right
hand man when he had suspicions? Perhaps... but Judas had free will.
He *could* have turned from the path set for him at any point in the
way. So could Snape. Dumbledore purposefully tempted Snape with the
Defense Against the Dark Arts job. He knew the job was jinxed. These
are ingredients you cannot ignore in the potion which has been mixed.
Snape chose not to resist evil in the end, as did Judas.

It' not really a shocker, if you think about it. Jesus forsaw his
own betrayal and death, and to some little extent, we can guess that
Dumbledore saw his own as well. Jesus had a dream of what would happen
as a baby, and he also addressed Judas on the subject during the Last
Supper. He knew Judas would be the one to betray, but he still give
Judas the benefit of the doubt.... and that benefit of the doubt is
what counts. It is what makes good stronger than evil. Mercy is not a
weakness, it is a strength- and Dumbledore's death does not matter
nearly so much as the fact that he was willing to give Snape the
benefit of the doubt.

However, here's where many people go wrong:

Jesus did not ASK Judas to kill him. Neither did Dumbledore ask
Snape. He couldn't. If he did, it would be technically a suicide, and
in order for the 'deep magic' to work, Jesus (and Dumbledore) both had
to be a willing sacrifices.

When people first read Half-Blood Prince, they often think, "oh,
Snape's still good, he's probably just killed Dumbledore at his own
request." But that is belying the underlying theme of the entire
series- that of willing self-sacrifice, and not needless and willing
suicide.

Yes, Snape has been tempted back to the dark side. Was he always a
part of the dark side? No. He's human. He was genuinely dismayed at how
he assisted the betrayal and murder of Harry's parents, and genuinely
did ask Dumbledore for forgiveness. But someone who has strayed once is
not immune from straying again.....

The character of Snape is a highly confused one, full of little
self-esteem and self-loathing. Yet it's telling that most people who
read the books genuinely like Snape- they like something about his
character, can see something to identify with. Maybe we identify with
Judas a little more than Jesus. Perhaps we all feel at times like pawns
of fate. Yet we all still have free will. Whether we turn towards evil
or good, no matter how tempted we are, is of our own choice.

Yes, Dumbledore was suspecting something like what happened on the
tower, but like Jesus, he did not know exactly how it would occur, or
when. He suspected the one who would betray him, and gave him a second
chance, pleading with Snape not to commit his act. Just as Jesus
addressed Judas at the last supper, the sacrifice is always greater if
it is freely given.
Paul
2006-08-11 03:18:49 UTC
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<snip>Yet it's telling that most people who
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read the books genuinely like Snape- they like something about his
character, can see something to identify with. <snip>
??? Really? Hmm, I guess I'm out of the norm, then.... I certainly did
not like Snape, at any time in the series. I was willing to believe that he
had genuinely joined Dumbledore's forces. So, the ending of Half-Blood
Prince was a surprise (I made the false assumption that chapter two was a
red herring). But, that didn't mean I "liked" Snape, just that I thought
he'd actually changed his allegiance.

However, other than that, I follow the Judas symbolism involved. Like all
symbolic/allegorical writing, it doesn't have to follow every minute detail
to pick up the major ideas in question.

In Christ,
Paul
p***@dodgeit.com
2006-08-14 03:58:19 UTC
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I don't really like Snape either, although I can identify with the
character. I said (maybe wrongly) that 'most people like him' judging
on the immense amount of fan mail J.K. Rowling, the author, said she's
received in favor of the character. She warned fans before the release
of book 6, not to be so taken in by those who favor the Dark Arts.
Apparently, it's a popular trend among children who are fans of the
books to "sort themselves" into houses. I'm disturbed to find that over
40% of them said they'd be sorted into the house of Slytherin.
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<snip>Yet it's telling that most people who
Post by p***@dodgeit.com
read the books genuinely like Snape- they like something about his
character, can see something to identify with. <snip>
??? Really? Hmm, I guess I'm out of the norm, then.... I certainly did
not like Snape, at any time in the series. I was willing to believe that he
had genuinely joined Dumbledore's forces. So, the ending of Half-Blood
Prince was a surprise (I made the false assumption that chapter two was a
red herring). But, that didn't mean I "liked" Snape, just that I thought
he'd actually changed his allegiance.
However, other than that, I follow the Judas symbolism involved. Like all
symbolic/allegorical writing, it doesn't have to follow every minute detail
to pick up the major ideas in question.
In Christ,
Paul
Jani
2006-08-17 03:23:35 UTC
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Apparently, it's a popular trend among children who are fans of the
books to "sort themselves" into houses. I'm disturbed to find that over
40% of them said they'd be sorted into the house of Slytherin.
That's because Slytherin is interesting, and Gryffindor is merely wholesome
(and Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are just background, without any definable
identity).

I'm not at all sure that *Dumbledore* is the Aslan / Christ figure, though.
He obviously isn't going to "come back", any more than Sirius is, and the
question left hanging at the end of Half-Blood Prince is whether Harry or
Voldemort will survive the last battle. Not to mention, Harry's already
acknowledged his responsibility for others, accepted that his teachers are
just that, teachers and not permanent guardians (Dumbledore), and
consciously chosen to reject a chance of a "normal" life (Ginny).

But - if he adopts the role of sacrifice, which is where that seems to be
leading, and lets Voldemort kill *him*, he leaves evil to rule the world. An
interesting dilemma. I'm looking forward to seeing which way JKR goes with
it :)

Jani
(who doesn't like the book-Snape at all, but is too much of a Rickman fan
not to have a soft spot for the movie-Snape)

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