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The Philosophy of One, on the Many.
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lawrey
2006-10-02 02:51:49 UTC
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How did we come to know a god? In order to reach the truth we need to
go back in history to our earliest recordings. Where Shock and Horror!
We discover that man invented god. Zoroaster's dualism gave the Hebrews
the idea of an opposer to their god Jehovah.---Satan and the stories of
Jesus were vastly exagerated.

Discover the truth if you DARE! Go to: www.lawrenceeleyot.co.uk
l***@hotmail.com
2006-10-03 02:52:28 UTC
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Post by lawrey
How did we come to know a god? In order to reach the truth we need to
go back in history to our earliest recordings. Where Shock and Horror!
We discover that man invented god. Zoroaster's dualism gave the Hebrews
the idea of an opposer to their god Jehovah.---Satan and the stories of
Jesus were vastly exagerated.
Well I don't know where you are gathering your information, but there
is
no evidence of YHVH outside of the Hebrew dialect. There is almost no
consensus as to the etymology of YHVH/Yahweh/Jehovah. It is generally
thought to be a verbal form derived from the root "hwy", later, "hyh."
The
original meaning is not completely certain but again, the general
consensus
is "to be, happen, become" or "be at hand, exist, come to pass."
[TDOT, vol 5, p 500]

There is absolutely no evidence prior to nor during the time of Moses,
of
YHVH either in Egypt or other ancient nations.

Monotheism is the oldest of all religions, not dualism or polytheism.
If
you are going to bring forth such accusations, you need to provide
references
which support your thesis. Basically your post is little more than
flame
bait.
l***@hotmail.com
2006-10-03 02:52:28 UTC
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Post by lawrey
How did we come to know a god? In order to reach the truth we need to
go back in history to our earliest recordings. Where Shock and Horror!
We discover that man invented god. Zoroaster's dualism gave the Hebrews
the idea of an opposer to their god Jehovah.---Satan and the stories of
Jesus were vastly exagerated.
BTW, your title for this thread is wrong. It is the "Philosophy of the
One and the Many." This is more often than not refered to under the
termonlogy of "unity and diversity." No philosophical school has ever
solved the dilemma. However, Trinitarian Christianity is the ONLY
system of Truth which not only offers a solution, but actually conforms
to the "dilemma." Trinitarianism no only solves the dilemma of
unity and diversity, but it also provides a basis for the space/mass/
time continuum.
lawrey
2006-10-04 02:05:24 UTC
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I find your side tracking into the tetrogrammaton, usually
transliterated into YHWH or JHVH quite astonishing! And obviously pure
camouflage for your ignorance of our history. If you look back to the
'Book of the Dead' 3500 B.C. and our very earliest recordings you will
learn, contrary to your beliefs, that there was only a Polytheistic
system of gods in place and as I have already said it was not until
Amenhotep lV that Monotheism came into being, and was rejected. If you
care to read, 'The Philosophy Of One on the Many', you will find all
the references you require to back up everything I say. As for making
accusations; I make none! I deal only in facts, not beliefs. My work is
a factual account of history, well documented for those who are
interested in truth instead of pagan beliefs. Read and learn my friend
there is no defense in ignorance. Even Jesus at the last came to
realise that what he had been taught was wrong and there was no god.
His final words were: "E'li, E'li, la'ma sa-bach-tha'ni?" He knew then,
that the god he had preached so faithfully about and taught was real
was indeed metaphysical and could not be called upon! There was, nor
ever has been such a being as god save in the minds of men who wish to
believe it. His name or rather what the Hebrews care to call him is
irrelivant. Read, Mark, Learn and inwardly Digest! My warm and sincere
greetings to you all. Lawrey
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Post by lawrey
How did we come to know a god? In order to reach the truth we need to
go back in history to our earliest recordings. Where Shock and Horror!
We discover that man invented god. Zoroaster's dualism gave the Hebrews
the idea of an opposer to their god Jehovah.---Satan and the stories of
Jesus were vastly exagerated.
Well I don't know where you are gathering your information, but there
is
no evidence of YHVH outside of the Hebrew dialect. There is almost no
consensus as to the etymology of YHVH/Yahweh/Jehovah. It is generally
thought to be a verbal form derived from the root "hwy", later, "hyh."
The
original meaning is not completely certain but again, the general
consensus
is "to be, happen, become" or "be at hand, exist, come to pass."
[TDOT, vol 5, p 500]
There is absolutely no evidence prior to nor during the time of Moses,
of
YHVH either in Egypt or other ancient nations.
Monotheism is the oldest of all religions, not dualism or polytheism.
If
you are going to bring forth such accusations, you need to provide
references
which support your thesis. Basically your post is little more than
flame
bait.
l***@hotmail.com
2006-10-06 02:20:28 UTC
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Post by lawrey
I find your side tracking into the tetrogrammaton,
No, it was you who used the term, "Jehovah" which is merely
a derivative of YHVH.
Post by lawrey
transliterated into YHWH or JHVH quite astonishing!
YHVH is use by most of the Jewish people I know.
Post by lawrey
And obviously pure
camouflage for your ignorance of our history.
Really!
Post by lawrey
If you look back to the
'Book of the Dead' 3500 B.C. and our very earliest recordings you will
learn, contrary to your beliefs, that there was only a Polytheistic
system of gods in place
Nice, try. I've studied the ancient religions. BTW, the earliest
Egyptian
dynasty had a clearly defined monotheistic religion. It is only in the

following dynasties that polytheism came to be popular. And as Budge,
one of the greatest of the Egyptologist, records, often, when studied,
the polytheism of the later dynasties were not really "many gods" but
rather, many names for one God.
Post by lawrey
and as I have already said it was not until
Amenhotep lV that Monotheism came into being,
You need to read a bit more. Might I suggest Austen Layard's
"Early Adventures in Persia." You will probably have to stop off
at the Library of Congress in DC, because that is the only place
I could find a copy for myself. "Discoveries in the Ruins of
Nineveh and Babylon" are there as well. Very interesting reading.
Something easier to find is Wikinson's "Egyptians." I found a
couple volumes at a local university. He too cooberates Budge's
research concerning the fact that monotheism was Egypt's
earliest monothesim. And if that isn't enough, Egypt also
had a monotheistic triad religion. Not equivilent to Christianities
Trinitarianism, but close enough to draw a few comparisions to.

Also, your mentioning of the Book of the Dead, you should read
Budge's account of it in comparision with some of the Christian
confessions of faith. I believe that accounting is in his, "From
Fetish to God in Ancient Egypt."
Post by lawrey
and was rejected. If you
care to read, 'The Philosophy Of One on the Many', you will find all
the references you require to back up everything I say. As for making
accusations; I make none! I deal only in facts, not beliefs.
Ya, right.
Post by lawrey
My work is
a factual account of history, well documented for those who are
interested in truth instead of pagan beliefs. Read and learn my friend
there is no defense in ignorance.
Done my own research.
Post by lawrey
Even Jesus at the last came to
realise that what he had been taught was wrong and there was no god.
His final words were: "E'li, E'li, la'ma sa-bach-tha'ni?" He knew then,
that the god he had preached so faithfully about and taught was real
was indeed metaphysical and could not be called upon!
Nice try. Old argument that has more than dutifully refuted, just as
the
evolutionary presupposition of polytheism to monotheism. Just as
stupid
logically if you will but think it through. Did man suddenly think,
"Oh,
there is a God" and then at the same instant believe there were many
gods? Rather like fish with gills walking out onto land. If they had
lungs
they would drown. If they had gills, they wouldn't be out of dry land.
Not
very well thought through.
Post by lawrey
There was, nor
ever has been such a being as god save in the minds of men who wish to
believe it. His name or rather what the Hebrews care to call him is
irrelivant.
Well, this things are not gained by the reasoning of men. God, by very
definition, is beyond men's reasoning. Therefore, He must reveal
Himself.
This He has done. However, like the majority of men, you have refused
the
revelation that has been given so with the rejection of light comes
further
darkness.

As I wrote earlier, "Basically your post is little more than flame
bait."

Might I also suggest two other scholarly works:

"Manners & Customs of Anceint Egyptians," again, by the British
Museum scholar of the 1800's, John Gardner Wilkinson.

And for a better understanding of the Biblical declaration of plurality
of the Godhead in the Jewish Testament, read, "The Triunity of God
is Jewish," by John B Metzger.

And a word of advice, don't presume that everyone is unlearned in
what they post here. I've have spent several years studying the
ancient mystery religions from Babylon on into Rome. Nor am I
ignorant of Rabbinic Judaism and their commentaries on the Tulmud,
oral law and other rabbinical stides. Rabbinic Judaism with the
oral law which is the heart of the Mishnah, which is the core of
the Talmud. Rabbinic Judaism follows the interpretations of the
rabbis to the neglect of Scriptures.

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