Sources of New Testament

[Gordon]

Can anyone steer me to some verifiable information as to the
number of individuals and the time frame during which the books
of the New Testament were first written?

Some of these books mention the temple at Jerusalem, indicating
that the text was written before the fall of this temple. Are
there other such means for establishing the time frame of each
writing?

Gordon

[TBC * * * * * * * * * * *]

Post by Gordon
Can anyone steer me to some verifiable information as to the
number of individuals and the time frame during which the books
of the New Testament were first written?
Some of these books mention the temple at Jerusalem, indicating
that the text was written before the fall of this temple. Are
there other such means for establishing the time frame of each
writing?
Gordon

Way wrong place to ask, your about to get loaded with BOGUS imformation.

Try Ping: Chuck Stamford

He may be able to help.

[tbc]


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[Matthew Johnson]

Post by Gordon
Can anyone steer me to some verifiable information as to the
number of individuals and the time frame during which the books
of the New Testament were first written?

Verifiable? You are asking for too much. Since the authors themselves did not
see a need for such information, and did not include it, all we have to go on is
conjecture. Now some of it is very good conjecture, but it does not meet your
criterion of verifiability.

Post by Gordon
Some of these books mention the temple at Jerusalem, indicating
that the text was written before the fall of this temple. Are
there other such means for establishing the time frame of each
writing?

There are lots of such means. But again: you will most likely be disappointed
with their 'verifiability'.

Try http://geneva.rutgers.edu/src/faq/nt-authorship.txt for a start. It is from
the FAQ for this newsgroup, which you should have at least seen by now.

[Zor-El of Argo City]

At least two of Paul's epistles were first, being in circulation by 48
AD.
The Gospels appeared beween 50 AD (earliest date for Mark) and circa 85
AD (late date for John). Revelation was the last book, appearing shortly
after John ended his exile on Patmos Island circa 90-95 AD.


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[noshellswill]

Post by Gordon
Can anyone steer me to some verifiable information as to the
number of individuals and the time frame during which the books
of the New Testament were first written?
Some of these books mention the temple at Jerusalem, indicating
that the text was written before the fall of this temple. Are
there other such means for establishing the time frame of each
writing?
Gordon

BigG:

I'll give you a "physicists" type answer ( YMMV ). If you look at the
Church "fathers" [ oh, say from Clement(100AD) to Origen(200AD) ] casual,
consistent and confident use of N.T. material, it's clear that the texts
THEY looked at were pretty much the same -- and as well_organized -- as
those WE look at. So by about 100AD it's all together on paper ( sheep
skins ??).

'Course heretics lurked about --- but they had their own books and
readings and seemed to be well recognized ( if hardly in a Christian way ).

I'm not resuming here ... I'm no Bible scholar. But I am making the same
kind of judgment I would, say if a student was presenting an analysis of
light reflection from a dielectric surface based on 3-d plane waves. Of
course in that case I KNOW what they should consistently apply, but I also
remember what it was like NOT to know it. It's pretty clear who's fudging ...

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[Matthew Johnson]

Post by noshellswill

Post by Gordon
Can anyone steer me to some verifiable information as to the
number of individuals and the time frame during which the books
of the New Testament were first written?
Some of these books mention the temple at Jerusalem, indicating
that the text was written before the fall of this temple. Are
there other such means for establishing the time frame of each
writing?
Gordon

I'll give you a "physicists" type answer ( YMMV ). If you look at the
Church "fathers" [ oh, say from Clement(100AD) to Origen(200AD) ] casual,
consistent and confident use of N.T. material, it's clear that the texts
THEY looked at were pretty much the same -- and as well_organized -- as
those WE look at. So by about 100AD it's all together on paper ( sheep
skins ??).

Close enough;) There were differences, but it really is true that no doctrine of
the Church relies on later readings than what was available to Origen (to take
your example).

Post by noshellswill
'Course heretics lurked about --- but they had their own books and
readings and seemed to be well recognized ( if hardly in a Christian way ).

Alas, they did not rest content with using their own books. Marcion was very
fond of Luke and Paul, rejecting the other Gospels, Valentinus (the Gnostic) was
very fond of the Gospel of John.

Nor did they rest content with using Christian books and making their own
twisted interpretations of them: they tampered with the text, too. Codex W is
particularly famous for a long interpolation after Mark 16:14. The interpolation
is clearly Gnostic in tone.

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