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Why do we lack discernment?
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Jacob
2008-08-19 01:41:33 UTC
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It is just as important to grow in discernment as it is to grow in
love (Php.1:9), because 'love' without discernment can be quite
disastrous. Discernment is a mark of maturity (He.5:14). It was one of
the things Solomon asked of God (1Ki.3:9). I am not talking about the
discerning of spirits which all may not have, but an ability to
distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. All of us need to
have this and grow in it. We all have some level of discernment,
because it is a part of our conscience. We can dull this conscience by
constantly neglecting it, or kill it to lesser or greater extent by
going against it. It is only by exercising our spiritual senses that
we can grow in discernment (He.5:14).

So why do we lack discernment? Le me put up a few suggestions to think
about.

Perhaps we don't have sufficient reverence for the Lord and His
commandments. If we had, we would naturally desire to be more and more
pleasing to Him, keep His commandments more diligently and avoid
things that are displeasing in His eyes (Ps.25:14;111:10). If we are
on that path of life, we would be seeking more and more discernment!
It is possible that we have emphasised the grace of God towards us so
much that we have missed this aspect of living before Him?

The devil misuses Scripture to lead us astray. One example is, "Judge
not" (Mt.7:1). We can see from the context that Jesus was not talking
about discernment but about condemning others or looking down on them.
In another place Jesus mentioned the need for judging with
righteousness (Jn.7:24). This is about discerning the truth, not being
fooled by outward appearances. When Jesus said, "Judge not," He did
not mean, "Discern not!" We do need to discern between right and wrong
even as we observe what people do and what is happening in the world.

Another way the devil fools us is by reminding us when we see
something wrong, either in the way some people are doing things or the
way things are going on around us, that we ourselves have many faults.
Of course we do, all of us (Jas.3:2). The devil tells us that we have
beams in our eyes, and we shouldn't be looking at specks in someone
else's eyes! But that doesn't mean that we should agree that the wrong
that we see is all right. It means that we shouldn't be quick to judge
others, and also that our judgment should be mixed with humility and
mercy. If we fall for this trick of the devil we would lose our own
fear for the wrong we have seen, make ourselves more tolerant towards
sin in general, and perhaps end up inching towards that wrong
ourselves. Have you noticed that when we live among increasing rates
of divorce our own attitude towards divorce cools down?

Isn't it good to have an increasingly clear opinion about what is
right and wrong, good and evil, in order that we may keep ourselves to
be pleasing to the Lord? Or is it sin to have an opinion? Let us not
whitewash over the wrong and evil we see and imagine we have love.
B
2008-08-20 01:58:35 UTC
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Post by Jacob
It is just as important to grow in discernment as it is to grow in
love (Php.1:9), because 'love' without discernment can be quite
disastrous. Discernment is a mark of maturity (He.5:14). It was one of
the things Solomon asked of God (1Ki.3:9). I am not talking about the
discerning of spirits which all may not have, but an ability to
distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. All of us need to
have this and grow in it. We all have some level of discernment,
because it is a part of our conscience. We can dull this conscience by
constantly neglecting it, or kill it to lesser or greater extent by
going against it. It is only by exercising our spiritual senses that
we can grow in discernment (He.5:14).
So why do we lack discernment? Le me put up a few suggestions to think
about.
Perhaps we don't have sufficient reverence for the Lord and His
commandments. If we had, we would naturally desire to be more and more
pleasing to Him, keep His commandments more diligently and avoid
things that are displeasing in His eyes (Ps.25:14;111:10). If we are
on that path of life, we would be seeking more and more discernment!
It is possible that we have emphasised the grace of God towards us so
much that we have missed this aspect of living before Him?
The devil misuses Scripture to lead us astray.
B -My discernment has taught me that the Devil is not a being..but the
ego. How has your discernment taught you that the devil is an actual
being?

Bren
DKleinecke
2008-08-20 23:32:53 UTC
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Post by B
B -My discernment has taught me that the Devil is not a being..but the
ego. How has your discernment taught you that the devil is an actual
being?
Bren
As I see it there cannot possibly be a Devil in the sense that most
people sound like they visualize him(?). That is, as a powerful
supernatural being. From where I sit most people look like Manichees.
They seem to see the world as a battleground between God and the
Devil. The commonest idea seems to be that the battle between God and
the Devil will go on until Doomsday when God will win.

So far as I am concerned a supernatural enemy of God is impossible.
That would make the Devil another (although slightly less powerful)
god. To quote the Qur'an: "There is no god except Allah".

Now I am left with the task of explaining away all the New Testament
references to the Devil (the Old Testament Satan is not the same as
the New Testament Devil). I am not going to even try to do that in
this post..
Matthew Johnson
2008-08-25 03:09:38 UTC
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Post by DKleinecke
Post by B
B -My discernment has taught me that the Devil is not a being..but the
ego. How has your discernment taught you that the devil is an actual
being?
Bren
As I see it there cannot possibly be a Devil in the sense that most
people sound like they visualize him(?). That is, as a powerful
supernatural being. From where I sit most people look like Manichees.
Then you are sitting in a place with a very poor view.
Post by DKleinecke
They seem to see the world as a battleground between God and the
Devil. The commonest idea seems to be that the battle between God and
the Devil will go on until Doomsday when God will win.
But all you prove with this is that you do not know what a 'Manichee'
is. Nor do you understand how the Manichee differs from the
Christian. It is NOT belief in the devil; it is belief in a two
co-eternal deities, one good one evil that makes the Manichee.

The devil is not a deity in Christianity. Nor is he co-eternal with
God.
Post by DKleinecke
So far as I am concerned a supernatural enemy of God is impossible.
That would make the Devil another (although slightly less powerful)
god. To quote the Qur'an: "There is no god except Allah".
Now I am left with the task of explaining away all the New Testament
references to the Devil
The difficulty of this taks should have been the hint to you: it is
the WRONG task!
Post by DKleinecke
(the Old Testament Satan is not the same as the New Testament
Devil). I am not going to even try to do that in this post..
Wise decision;)

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