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i***@hotmail.com
2007-02-06 02:01:59 UTC
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There is much discussion is christianity about man not
alone but what about women? It says in Genesis that it is
not good for man to be alone therefore Eve was created.
What about women? It is not good for anyone to be alone
unless they like being alone and are content with it. But if they
are not then it is bad. Yet many people especially in
christianity find it hard to find anyone and this pervasive
notion that God will bring someone makes it worse because
so many people adhere to that.
Statistics say there are more women than men so where
does that leave women who want a spouse? I guess for
many, out in the cold.
Combine that with many men are only in church and
professing christianity to get a woman with no real desire
to follow God. Then there's the ones that truly christians
but for some reason have no real desire for a spouse or
believe in the adage that God will bring them someone
therefore it is sinful to be looking or if they have to look
they are usurping God's authority and taking matters into
their own hands which could be farthest from the truth.
I've seen this adage repeated many times on various
christian message boards and amongst church leaders.
Plus not every man is christian further shortening the list
of acceptable men. Every church leader and christian is
quick to point out the whole unequally yoked thing not that
I disagree with it but it certainly makes a woman's choices
very limited in who she can date and marry.
Combine this with more women born than men and there's
a serious shortage of available Godly, christian men.
No one wants to be alone which can lead to doing things
that under healthier circumstances might not otherwise
come to pass. I say unhealthy because none of
these things are inherently healthy and unfortunately there
is nothing that one of us can do about biologicals, society,
behavior of other people.
I guess this brings me to my last opinion. Were men ever
really designed to be monogamous(rather married to just
one woman)? Or is this something modern society came
up with to try and make men more subservient to one
woman? And give the courts something they could actually
refer to when granting a divorce?
I'm not condoning adultery but put all this together and is
it any wonder women are having relationships with married
men? Certainly women should seek to find a single man
first and many do. No woman deliberately seeks a married
man, it just happens.
Certainly no woman on the receiving end of the unfaithful
husband can or will sympathesize with the other woman
nor would I really expect her to. I certainly wouldn't even
if it were partly my own fault.
But when it comes right down to it, there is only one reason
a woman will see a married man and it's because she
doesn't want to be alone any more than any one else. She
wants love and affection just like every one else and when
it isn't forthcoming from proper channels she sometimes
takes improper channels. It isn't right nor fair that she would
impose on someone's elses marriage but life is not fair. In
this world we take what we can get where we can get it.
It isn't always Godly or right. It's just the way it is.
Being alone is not fun. Having no one to love you is not
fun.
And before anyone starts in about what a lowlife the other
woman is(yes, what she's doing is not right) but the man is
just as guilty. Probably more so because he's out looking
when he knows he shouldn't be. Then there's the wife in all
this and before anyone says she's the innocent victim no
one is innocent in things like this. Maybe some men just
stray because they can and are compulsive cheaters but
that doesn't describe every cheating husband. Some are
just lonely and not getting their needs fulfilled at home so
are looking for it elsewhere. I don't condone what they are
doing just stating a fact.
I realize this will most likely get a pounding of responses
on what kind of idiot(or more harsh words) I am but I don't
really care.
B.G. Kent
2007-02-07 02:29:20 UTC
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
And before anyone starts in about what a lowlife the other
woman is(yes, what she's doing is not right) but the man is
just as guilty. Probably more so because he's out looking
when he knows he shouldn't be. Then there's the wife in all
this and before anyone says she's the innocent victim no
one is innocent in things like this. Maybe some men just
stray because they can and are compulsive cheaters but
that doesn't describe every cheating husband. Some are
just lonely and not getting their needs fulfilled at home so
are looking for it elsewhere. I don't condone what they are
doing just stating a fact.
I realize this will most likely get a pounding of responses
on what kind of idiot(or more harsh words) I am but I don't
really care.
B - Hmmm..I won't call you an idiot because who am I to judge? I also
can't see what point you are making....to not judge people who stray? I
don't. I approach all people generally with compassion and try to
understand. Yes there are men and women who stray and had I the answer to
fix that..I would gladly give it to everyone.
blessings and I do hope that you don't get people calling you an idiot.

hugs,
Bren



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gilgames
2007-02-07 02:29:24 UTC
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There is much discussion is christianity about man not
alone but what about women? It says in Genesis that it is
not good for man to be alone therefore Eve was created.
What about women? It is not good for anyone to be alone
unless they like being alone and are content with it.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Do you think that when man and women will be one flesh, then the women
is left alone?
B.G. Kent
2007-02-08 03:31:38 UTC
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There is much discussion is christianity about man not
alone but what about women? It says in Genesis that it is
not good for man to be alone therefore Eve was created.
What about women? It is not good for anyone to be alone
unless they like being alone and are content with it.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Do you think that when man and women will be one flesh, then the women
is left alone?
B - How many relationships do you know of where the man or woman ceases to
be a singular unit? One flesh is a romantic notion which in time gets
stifling I figure. I like the idea of two complete human beings each with
a bit of the other in them...making a sort of Yin-Yang symbol...equal but
separate.

Blessings
Bren


"you are always alone ..and you are never alone".


-BK.
gilgames
2007-02-09 07:28:37 UTC
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Post by gilgames
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
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shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Do you think that when man and women will be one flesh, then the women
is left alone?
B - How many relationships do you know of where the man or woman ceases to
be a singular unit? One flesh is a romantic notion which in time gets
stifling I figure. I like the idea of two complete human beings each with
a bit of the other in them...making a sort of Yin-Yang symbol...equal but
separate.

Blessings
Bren
I don't feel that beginning and the end of the world would be romantic.

laszlo
Matthew Johnson
2007-02-13 02:49:07 UTC
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Post by B.G. Kent
B - How many relationships do you know of where the man or woman ceases to
be a singular unit?
You are misintepreting "of one flesh". Are you doing this
deliberately? It sure sounds like it.
Post by B.G. Kent
One flesh is a romantic notion which in time gets stifling I figure.
It has surprisingly little to do with any 'romantic notion'. And no,
it is by no means 'stifling'.
Post by B.G. Kent
I like the idea of two complete human beings each with a bit of the
other in them...making a sort of Yin-Yang symbol...equal but
separate.
Sigh! SO much pathetic ignorance packed tightly into ONE small post!
You don't even get the interpretation of the Yin-Yang symbol
right. Not even close.

The symbol is a mnemonic for the Five Principles of Yin and Yang. One
of those, the one most embarassing for you, is: Yin is always being
transfomed _into_ Yang and vice-versa.

This is represented by the curve between Yin and Yang; it is curved
because it is _idefinite_ and in _motion)_. But if you _separate_ the
two halves, then this is symbolism is _completely_ lost.

So there is NO WAY the symbol could represent what you say: that they
are "two complete human beings each with a bit of the other in
them". Yang is NOT complete without Yin (and v.v.)
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)
B.G. Kent
2007-02-13 02:49:12 UTC
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Post by gilgames
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
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shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Do you think that when man and women will be one flesh, then the women
is left alone?
B - How many relationships do you know of where the man or woman ceases to
be a singular unit? One flesh is a romantic notion which in time gets
stifling I figure. I like the idea of two complete human beings each with
a bit of the other in them...making a sort of Yin-Yang symbol...equal but
separate.
Blessings
Bren
I don't feel that beginning and the end of the world would be romantic.
laszlo
B - Hmmm...okay laszlo...I don't really understand what that had to do
with what we are talking about...but????

Bren
Burkladies
2007-02-13 02:49:10 UTC
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There is much discussion is christianity about man not > alone but what about women? It says in Genesis that it is > not good for man to be alone therefore Eve was created.
The church is relying on a myth. Not a good thing.
Combine that with many men are only in church and
professing christianity to get a woman with no real desire
to follow God.
Yes, the men are lying. With out concern who they lie with.

Every church leader and christian is
quick to point out the whole unequally yoked thing not that
I disagree with it but it certainly makes a woman's choices
very limited in who she can date and marry.
These leaders and christians are either lying or misled. Women can do
what ever they want. Men have little or no say in controling that.
Were men ever > really designed to be monogamous(rather married to just > one woman)? Or is this something modern society came > up with to try and make men more subservient to one > woman?
Im not sure there is one answer to these questions. Men are too
simple minded for polygamy or subservience to any woman. But men can
not handle themselves either.
Men are guilty any way they stroke their ego. For only their Jehovah god can have an ego as we are taught. Christ has the best answer to men and adultery.
Red
2007-02-14 03:00:49 UTC
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Post by i***@hotmail.com
There is much discussion is christianity about man not
alone but what about women? It says in Genesis that it is
not good for man to be alone therefore Eve was created.
What about women? It is not good for anyone to be alone
unless they like being alone and are content with it. But if they
are not then it is bad.
Not bad for the woman, but a woman alone was bad for procreation of
the species. Remember this is from Genesis. I have always believed
the RCC's ban on birth control is because it was "bad for the non-
procreation of more Catholics/Christians", especially at a time in
history when other religions were making great progress.

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