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Living for ourselves
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Jacob
2008-11-03 01:14:03 UTC
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Most people in the world live apart from God, even if they pay lip
service to God now and then. When we are born again, God enters our
life in a personal way, or rather, we enter into a life with God. But
even then, we all are at different levels in our life with God. All of
us would like to think that we want to produce hundred fold fruit in
our life. But most of the time this wish does not match with our
actual lives. In down to earth terms we may still be living a self-
centred life even though we proclaim our desire for a deep life with
God.

Of course we want God to be for us and with us. We know that we cannot
get far in this world (or the world to come) without Him. We want His
favour, blessings, protection, help, etc., in everything we do. Is
there anything wrong with this?

Imagine two Christians. One asks God for His blessings and help in
everything that he does. The other one makes himself and everything he
does subject to what God wants him to do. For the first one, he
himself is the boss and God his Helper. For the second one, God is the
Boss, and he himself a servant. Which way do we live?

Jesus said that His food was to do the will of His Father and to
accomplish His work (Jn.4:34). He was explaining Himself concerning
what He said, "I have food to eat that you do not know of" (v.32). For
Jesus the goal was clear as well as the way of life. His Father was
the Boss, and Jesus found His spiritual strength and growth in doing
what the Father wanted.

The first type of Christian lives his life just like all the other
people of the world, making his own plans, deciding on the course of
his life, doing what he thinks he should do. The difference between
him and unbelievers is that he considers whether God would approve
what he does, and asks God's blessings on whatever he does. On the
other hand, the second type of Christian first finds out what the
Father wants him to do - which subjects he should study, what job he
should take, who he should marry, where he should stay, how many
children he should have, how he should spend his time and money, how
he can be of use to God and people, etc. He believes that God has a
detailed plan for his life and that the best life he can have is when
he is fulfilling that plan (Ps.139:16). He constantly interacts with
God to know His will, to see whether he has strayed away from His
plan, to understand the changes he needs to make in his life, and to
seek for more power and wisdom to do His will.

We have a tendency to become like the first man, and we need constant
vigilance to live like the second man. Attending church, reading the
Bible and praying, and giving money will not turn the first type of
Christian into the second type. The focus of our life has to shift
from us to God.

Many times we have to deny ourselves in order to do God's will (Lk.
9:23). People may not always understand us. We may not become big in
this world. But don't we want to fulfil God's plans and to glorify
Him?
B
2008-11-04 02:08:23 UTC
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Post by Jacob
Most people in the world live apart from God, even if they pay lip
service to God now and then. When we are born again, God enters our
life in a personal way, or rather, we enter into a life with God. But
even then, we all are at different levels in our life with God. All of
us would like to think that we want to produce hundred fold fruit in
our life. But most of the time this wish does not match with our
actual lives. In down to earth terms we may still be living a self-
centred life even though we proclaim our desire for a deep life with
God.
Of course we want God to be for us and with us. We know that we cannot
get far in this world (or the world to come) without Him. We want His
favour, blessings, protection, help, etc., in everything we do. Is
there anything wrong with this?
Imagine two Christians. One asks God for His blessings and help in
everything that he does. The other one makes himself and everything he
does subject to what God wants him to do. For the first one, he
himself is the boss and God his Helper. For the second one, God is the
Boss, and he himself a servant. Which way do we live?
Jesus said that His food was to do the will of His Father and to
accomplish His work (Jn.4:34). He was explaining Himself concerning
what He said, "I have food to eat that you do not know of" (v.32). For
Jesus the goal was clear as well as the way of life. His Father was
the Boss, and Jesus found His spiritual strength and growth in doing
what the Father wanted.
The first type of Christian lives his life just like all the other
people of the world, making his own plans, deciding on the course of
his life, doing what he thinks he should do. The difference between
him and unbelievers is that he considers whether God would approve
what he does, and asks God's blessings on whatever he does. On the
other hand, the second type of Christian first finds out what the
Father wants him to do - which subjects he should study, what job he
should take, who he should marry, where he should stay, how many
children he should have, how he should spend his time and money, how
he can be of use to God and people, etc. He believes that God has a
detailed plan for his life and that the best life he can have is when
he is fulfilling that plan (Ps.139:16). He constantly interacts with
God to know His will, to see whether he has strayed away from His
plan, to understand the changes he needs to make in his life, and to
seek for more power and wisdom to do His will.
We have a tendency to become like the first man, and we need constant
vigilance to live like the second man. Attending church, reading the
Bible and praying, and giving money will not turn the first type of
Christian into the second type. The focus of our life has to shift
from us to God.
Many times we have to deny ourselves in order to do God's will (Lk.
9:23). People may not always understand us. We may not become big in
this world. But don't we want to fulfil God's plans and to glorify
Him?
B - I see most as a combination of the two. I know many who access
that God center within themselves but also "ask and ye shall receive"
"seek and ye shall find". I do both. One of the things that I do is
to "ask" God to help me to access his/her guidance better so that I
may live my truth and be a good person. I see us and God as one..but
that we don't also listen to that part of us that is God..in depth I
mean. I only want to glorify God. Part of me is still struggling with
wanting "me" to be seen as if I am apart FROM God when all my good is
God. Anyway..blessings. Bren

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