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Any prominent Christian mathematicians?
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Matt Menge
2008-06-09 00:23:31 UTC
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I recently read a book called "Irreligion" by the atheist
mathematician John Allen Paulos. I am also aware that the prominent
20th century mathematician Bertrand Russel was also a mathematician.
I was wonderring if there were or are any prominent Christian
mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?

Regards,

Matt
c***@gmail.com
2008-06-10 02:26:54 UTC
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Post by Matt Menge
I recently read a book called "Irreligion" by the atheist
mathematician John Allen Paulos. I am also aware that the prominent
20th century mathematician Bertrand Russel was also a mathematician.
I was wonderring if there were or are any prominent Christian
mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?
Regards,
Matt
The Atheist mathematicians of today stand on the shoulders of Euler,
Babbage, and Lewis Carroll...
Matthew Johnson
2008-06-12 01:20:10 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by Matt Menge
I recently read a book called "Irreligion" by the atheist
mathematician John Allen Paulos. I am also aware that the prominent
20th century mathematician Bertrand Russel was also a mathematician.
I was wonderring if there were or are any prominent Christian
mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?
Regards,
Matt
The Atheist mathematicians of today stand on the shoulders of Euler,
Babbage, and Lewis Carroll...
?? Lewis Carroll was a deacon in the Anglican Church, and Euler is even
commemorated as a Lutheran saint (May 24). See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_of_Saints_%28Lutheran%29#May.

Very strange to say that atheist mathematicians stand on the shoulders of
believing Christian mathematicians...
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c***@gmail.com
2008-06-13 03:38:51 UTC
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Post by Matt Menge
I was wonderring if there were or are any prominent Christian
mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?
...

Not strictly a mathematician, but Georges LeMaitre was a priest and
cosmologist who found problems with Einstein's general relativity and
was the first to propose the "Big Bang."
curmudgeon
2008-06-10 02:26:54 UTC
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Is the term *Christian Scientist* an "Oxymoron"?

OR

Is the term *Christian Scientist* perhaps "Redundant"?

*curmudgeon*
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Matthew Johnson
2008-06-10 02:26:54 UTC
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Post by Matt Menge
I recently read a book called "Irreligion" by the atheist
mathematician John Allen Paulos. I am also aware that the prominent
20th century mathematician Bertrand Russel was also a mathematician.
I was wonderring if there were or are any prominent Christian
mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?
Why, yes. There are. THe first example that comes to my mind is Igor
Shafarevitch, the famous Russian mathematician who worked in algebraic number
theory and algebraic geometry, after whom the Sha function was named.

In recent years, he has been more famous (or infamous) for controversial books
on political theory, such as "Socialism as a World Phenomenon".

His non-mathematical works are on the web at http://shafarevich.voskres.ru/.

He has been accused of anit-semiticism, but people should remember that the
_real_ anti-semite was one of his major influences, the Soviet mathematician
Vinogradov.
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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
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Matt Menge
2008-06-11 01:54:40 UTC
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His non-mathematical works are on the web athttp://shafarevich.voskres.ru/=
.

Thank you. I'll look into him. As to the web site, I am not
sufficiently acquainted with translating software (or Russian).

Many thanks,

Matt
Bob Crowley
2008-06-12 01:20:05 UTC
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Post by Matt Menge
I recently read a book called "Irreligion" by the atheist
mathematician John Allen Paulos. I am also aware that the prominent
20th century mathematician Bertrand Russel was also a mathematician.
I was wonderring if there were or are any prominent Christian
mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?
Regards,
Matt
To my mind Russell was a philosopher rather than a mathematician. His
"Principia Mathematica" (if I've got the name right) apparently dealt
with rigorous proofs of mathematical theorems, but was not, as far as
I know, an advance for mathematics. Rigorously proving one plus one
makes two may be the sort of thing that turns a philosopher on, but
all mathematiicians assumed this principle land used it ong before
Russell "proved" it.

There would be plenty of Christian mathematicians around the place,
but most of them would not be "promiinent". Most mathematiciians,
whether atheist or Christian, are not "prominent".
Matt Menge
2008-07-04 04:46:10 UTC
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To my mind Russell was a philosopher rather than a mathematician. =A0His
"Principia Mathematica" (if I've got the name right) apparently dealt
with rigorous proofs of mathematical theorems, but was not, as far as
I know, an advance for mathematics. =A0Rigorously proving one plus one
makes two may be the sort of thing that turns a philosopher on, but
all mathematiicians assumed this principle land used it ong before
Russell "proved" it.
There would be plenty of Christian mathematicians around the place,
but most of them would not be "promiinent". =A0Most mathematiciians,
whether atheist or Christian, are not "prominent".
Yes, I had actually already read a book by Francis Collins, who is a
geneticist. The physicist responses were helpful, but I guess in the
end I decided on Kierkegaard. Maybe I will get to some of these other
people eventually.

Regards,

Matt
Dr J R Stockton
2008-06-12 01:20:11 UTC
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Post by Matt Menge
I was wonderring if there were or are any prominent Christian
mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?
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curmudgeon
2008-06-17 01:56:51 UTC
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"Matt Menge" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message news:7K_2k.319$***@trndny01...
I recently read a book called "Irreligion" by the atheist
mathematician John Allen Paulos. I am also aware that the prominent
20th century mathematician Bertrand Russell was also a mathematician.
I was wondering if there were or are any prominent Christian
mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?




Now if you were to ask if had ever been any prominent Muslim mathematicians?
The Muslim thinker and teacher *Averroes* 1126 AD to 1198 AD comes to mind.
He was born in Spain, but died in Morocco.


*curmudgeon*
"The best read illiterate in the country"
Matt Menge
2008-07-04 04:46:10 UTC
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Post by Matt Menge
I recently read a book called "Irreligion" by the atheist
mathematician John Allen Paulos. =A0I am also aware that the prominent
=A020th century mathematician Bertrand Russell was also a mathematician.
=A0I was wondering if there were or are any prominent Christian
=A0mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?
Now if you were to ask if had ever been any prominent Muslim mathematicia=
ns?
Post by Matt Menge
The Muslim thinker and teacher *Averroes* 1126 AD to 1198 AD comes to min=
d.
Post by Matt Menge
He was born in Spain, but died in Morocco.
Sounds interesting. But I was also looking for someone in recent
history. I actually read a book by Reza Aslan that was quite good.
But he is not a mathematician or physical scientist.

Regards,

Matt
YoungBeliever
2008-08-04 02:05:31 UTC
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Sir Isaac Newton was a bit of a mathematician and also wrote quite a bit
about his faith.
Post by Matt Menge
I recently read a book called "Irreligion" by the atheist
mathematician John Allen Paulos. =A0I am also aware that the prominent
=A020th century mathematician Bertrand Russell was also a mathematician.
=A0I was wondering if there were or are any prominent Christian
=A0mathematicians in the 20th or 21st centuries?
...
Matthew Johnson
2008-08-05 03:09:15 UTC
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Post by YoungBeliever
Sir Isaac Newton was a bit of a mathematician and also wrote quite a bit
about his faith.
And he turned Arian. So not a good example. But in an only slightly later
generation, we have Leonard Euler as an example of a believing mathematician.

But the best example for our own times is still the same Igor Shafarevitch I
mentioned earlier. He wrote one of the most common texts on Algebraic Geometry
and made advances in Number Theory and Elliptic Curves. The 'Sha' function is
named after him, since 'Sha' is the first letter in the Russian spelling of his
last name.

His ideas on the nature of Good and Evil http://shafarevich.voskres.ru/a92.htm
were aired during Perestroika, but not heeded by enough people.

He is also famous for suggesting that God Himself guides the development of
mathematics, such as in a speech to Goettingen Academy of Sciences, 1973:

Begin quote----------------------
The history of mathematics has known many occasions where a discovery made by a
scientist remains unknown until somebody else makes it again later, with
astonishing preciseness. In the letter that Galois wrote the day before his
fatal duel, he reached some conclusions of extreme importance in the study of
integrals of algebraic functions. More than twenty years later, Riemann,
undoubtedly unaware of Galois' letter, re-discovered and proved the same
propositions. Another example: after Lobachevski and Bolyai built the
foundations of non-Euclidean geometry independent of each other, it appeared
that two other mathematicians, Gauss and Schweikart, had both reached the same
conclusions ten years earlier, also working independently. There is a strange
feeling in reading exactly the same ideas, as coming from one mind, in the work
of four scientists who studied the subject alone
End quote-------------------

That "one mind" is the mind of God.
DKleinecke
2008-08-06 02:00:51 UTC
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Post by Matthew Johnson
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The history of mathematics has known many occasions where a discovery made by a
scientist remains unknown until somebody else makes it again later, with
astonishing preciseness. In the letter that Galois wrote the day before his
fatal duel, he reached some conclusions of extreme importance in the study of
integrals of algebraic functions. More than twenty years later, Riemann,
undoubtedly unaware of Galois' letter, re-discovered and proved the same
propositions. Another example: after Lobachevski and Bolyai built the
foundations of non-Euclidean geometry independent of each other, it appeared
that two other mathematicians, Gauss and Schweikart, had both reached the same
conclusions ten years earlier, also working independently. There is a strange
feeling in reading exactly the same ideas, as coming from one mind, in the work
of four scientists who studied the subject alone
End quote-------------------
That "one mind" is the mind of God.
I am not sure this really is about God. The ideas of mathematics could
be implicit in the subject matter. That is, given the same germ of a
thought in Gauss and Schweikart and Lobachevski and Bolyai, their
further expositions must be almost identical because they are all
describing the same object.

This seems to me to be an aspect of the Platonic problem in
mathematics. That is, do the entities of mathematics exist is some
sense before any mathematician looks at them and is, therefore, what
the mathematician is doing a discovery of something that exists
independently (at least of human mathematics) or is the mathematician
inventing something new that never existed before?

You can summarize what I just said as "what, exactly, does 'exist'
mean?"

You will get no satisfactory answer to that question. The ontological
proof of the existence of God played fast and loose with this problem.
Thomas of Aquino did not accept the ontological proof and concocted an
alternative by skillfully redefining "exist" (in Latin, of course, so
he was redefining "esse" or something like that). I fear that Thomas'
solution was even less popular than the ontological solution.

I am not going to make any contributions to this philosophical
dilemma. In my opinion all attempts to prove the existence of God will
fail and, moreover, they are all unnecessary because existence of God
is an empirical fact and, therefore, independent of logical thinking,
no matter how convoluted.
Matthew Johnson
2008-08-07 01:50:32 UTC
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In article <nB7mk.339$***@trnddc03>, DKleinecke says...

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Post by DKleinecke
I am not going to make any contributions to this philosophical
dilemma. In my opinion all attempts to prove the existence of God will
fail
What? Even the Seventh Proof? If you think so, then you need to read not
philosophy, but that masterpiece of Russain Literature, "The Master and
Margarita" by Mikhail Bulgakov.

There you will see how nobody escapes the Seventh Proof of the Existence of
God;)

[snip]

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