Timothy Sutter
2010-03-29 21:53:00 UTC
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remember James and how he
describes a 'wisdom' that is 'earthly'.
James 3:13-18
and, Paul and how he warns that you not
be lead astray by vain philosophies of men.
Collosians 2:7-8
==
James 3:13-18
Who is wise and understanding among you?
Let him show by good conduct that his works
are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you
have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts,
do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom
does not descend from above, but is earthly,
sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking
exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure,
then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy
and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace
by those who make peace.
Colossians 2:7-8
rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith,
as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and
empty deceit, according to the tradition of men,
according to the basic principles of the world,
and not according to Christ.
==
James says there is a 'wisdom' that comes from above
and a wisdom from below and Paul says don't be lead
astray by the 'wisdom' that comes from below.
the "philosopher god" is described as being
'omniscient' and so, it may be suggested that
no real 'free will' is possible inasmuch as 'god'
knows all things in advance and therefore, a man,
has no real choice in any matter.
this suggests that a man has no will of his own
because when he acts, he acts according to
'god's will' no matter what he does.
this describes a 'god' who is at war with itself.
one problem is that this must contend that
'god' thinks as the carnal mind of man.
and has absolute foreknowledge of all of man's
hearsays, rumors, misunderstandings and outright lies.
it would forced to suggest that 'god' is responsible
for a man's own misunderestandings and outright lies.
and then you have a 'god' who, essentially is
'omniscient' -and- misunderstands -itself- inasmuch
as all actions of the man are predetermined.
which thing must therefore be excluded
as contradictory and unreasonable.
so, when you suggect that 'God' is 'omniscient'
this 'omniscience' must be tempered
-with- a man's own 'free will'
for starters, this 'god' is -not- the
God described in the bible literature.
but that, it was some 'philosophers' who
who were attempting to come to terms
with the 'christian ethos'
who brought -their- prefabricated 'reasoned'
ideas -about- a 'god' with them and tried to
lay -that- stencil overtop of the God as
described in the pages of the bible.
most of 'them' were already aware that
these ideas -about- a 'god' had many
unresolvable inconsistencies, and so,
it turns into a subtle attack on the God
described in the pages of the bible.
where this 'philosopher god', in whom such
inconsistencies lie, may be employed as a
levering device to denounce the God as
described in the pages of the bible.
so, 'they' describe the God of the bible as if it
-is- the 'philospher's god' and then proceed
to dismantle the God of the bible in the same
manner that the 'philosopher's god,
may be dismantled.
all without the unwary ever recognizing
that 'the philosopher's god' and the God
of the bible are not identical.
one is a human derivation based on
an incomplete knowledge base
and one is a veiled description of a Deity
which does not present itself for complete
inspection from within the confines of
'the natural' manifestation.
so, in part, some 'sectarian squabbles'
center around the mismatched overlay
of the humanly derived 'philosopher's god'
and an excerpted pattern of similarity
culled from the pages of the bible.
if you can be brought into the acceptance of the
'philosopher's god' through some analysis
of the pages of the bible, then it's all too easy
to rip into your understanding of the God of
the bible by ripping apart the 'philosopher's god'
same sort of thing applies to 'omnipotent'
the general format being;
omnipotent
"god must be able to do all things"
"making yes = no cannot be done"
therefore;
"there is no omnipotent being"
"there is no god"
1. 'god must be omnipotent to be god
2. this thing cannot be done because
it violates the logical structure of
it's own inception,
therefore,
no omnipotent being can exist.'
it's the second part that gets disguised
like;
"can god be god and not god at the same time?"
subsequently, the 'philosopher's god' becomes 'Nature'
and now, you should see that there is no choice,
just natural predisposition,
because "Nature" is impersonal and so is
unable to provide a choice in a man that
it does not have.
etc.
sometimes house cleaning is a good thing.
and if 'leavening' ends up in your 'doctrine'
is should be purged to as to deliver
the more 'pure' wisdom, if possible,
and such is possible.
i don't have to purge the philosopher's god'
because i never have fallen prey to it.
but some may.
and purging the leavening is a good thing.
and 'constant flux' and 'situational ethics.'
the problem here is that it still leaves -you-
as a piece of silly putty which immediately adapts
to a given set of surroundings and so it is
the surroundings which dictate the -you- that is
appropriate for -them- and not -you- -ever-
being anything but an -image-
-of- those surroundings
more contradiction.
you fish out of water
and/or a little gerbil performing for circus treats.
-if- you blend in to this milieu/enVIromint correctly
you get three circus treats and you
think this means that you are then 'happy'
only to find that the circus treats are 'unsatisfying'
and again, you are unhappy.
and the -conditioning- has allowed
for the only -possible- outcome.
what might that be?
this has to be one of the
insertion pathways of the
leavening agents.
and these leavening agents make your
ginger bread house inhospitable to God.
driving you further apart,
and you have no -you-
to recognize -as-
yourself anymore.
a puffed up
hollowed out
cracker
that ain't you.
where did you go?
how did you disappear?
you saw yourself for a moment.
and that moment passed.
...
'the philosopher' knits a suit for 'god' and
hangs it on a line not seeming to care that
the suit he admires remains empty.
'the philosopher' has built a stadium
and invented a game in which he expects
'god' to play, and stands on the field,
concluding there is no God, because;
"He never shows up for the game"
sort of like;
�We played the flute for you,
And you did not dance;
We mourned to you,
And you did not weep.�
it's not surprising that the -'philosopher's god'-
is dead, inasmuch as -it- never lived.
'it' falls under the weight of its own
'verbal ambiguities'
the 'phliosopher god'
-would- care about the 'rules'
if 'it' was -aware- of the 'rules'.
the philosopher god would say;
'ay, you mispelled my name'
'it's not 'phliosopher god'
it's 'p h i l o s o p h e r g o d'
and then the phliosopher would have to say;
'you can't care how i mispell yur name,
because i already said you can't
care about anything at all.
"so, you can't possibly be the True phliosopher god
because you -care- about how your name is spelled
i'll have to give you a new name, that's easier to spell
so, you won't care, when i mispells it."
"for example, i could call you
e.g. c i.e.
and see if that would make
you see it in other words.
only then you be grossly morphized into stone.
more to complain about, i guess."
"oops, i mean, i presume"
"oops, i mean i ....don't really know at all"
e.g.opci.te.
"now can you see it, oh phliospopher god?
oh, i forgot, you can't see anything.
not to worry, i can't see you either"
==
Psalm 71:4
Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked,
Out of the hand of the unrighteous and leavened man.
Psalm 73:21
Thus my heart was grieved, And
I was leavened in my mind.
1 Corinthians 5:8
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven,
nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness,
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
1 Corinthians 14:20
Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however,
in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature.
Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor,
and evil speaking be put away from you,
with all malice.
Colossians 3:8
But now you yourselves are to put off all these:
anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language
out of your mouth.
Titus 3:3
For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient,
deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living
in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
1 Peter 2:1
Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit,
hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking,
==
remember James and how he
describes a 'wisdom' that is 'earthly'.
James 3:13-18
and, Paul and how he warns that you not
be lead astray by vain philosophies of men.
Collosians 2:7-8
==
James 3:13-18
Who is wise and understanding among you?
Let him show by good conduct that his works
are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you
have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts,
do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom
does not descend from above, but is earthly,
sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking
exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure,
then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy
and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace
by those who make peace.
Colossians 2:7-8
rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith,
as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and
empty deceit, according to the tradition of men,
according to the basic principles of the world,
and not according to Christ.
==
James says there is a 'wisdom' that comes from above
and a wisdom from below and Paul says don't be lead
astray by the 'wisdom' that comes from below.
the "philosopher god" is described as being
'omniscient' and so, it may be suggested that
no real 'free will' is possible inasmuch as 'god'
knows all things in advance and therefore, a man,
has no real choice in any matter.
this suggests that a man has no will of his own
because when he acts, he acts according to
'god's will' no matter what he does.
this describes a 'god' who is at war with itself.
one problem is that this must contend that
'god' thinks as the carnal mind of man.
and has absolute foreknowledge of all of man's
hearsays, rumors, misunderstandings and outright lies.
it would forced to suggest that 'god' is responsible
for a man's own misunderestandings and outright lies.
and then you have a 'god' who, essentially is
'omniscient' -and- misunderstands -itself- inasmuch
as all actions of the man are predetermined.
which thing must therefore be excluded
as contradictory and unreasonable.
so, when you suggect that 'God' is 'omniscient'
this 'omniscience' must be tempered
-with- a man's own 'free will'
for starters, this 'god' is -not- the
God described in the bible literature.
but that, it was some 'philosophers' who
who were attempting to come to terms
with the 'christian ethos'
who brought -their- prefabricated 'reasoned'
ideas -about- a 'god' with them and tried to
lay -that- stencil overtop of the God as
described in the pages of the bible.
most of 'them' were already aware that
these ideas -about- a 'god' had many
unresolvable inconsistencies, and so,
it turns into a subtle attack on the God
described in the pages of the bible.
where this 'philosopher god', in whom such
inconsistencies lie, may be employed as a
levering device to denounce the God as
described in the pages of the bible.
so, 'they' describe the God of the bible as if it
-is- the 'philospher's god' and then proceed
to dismantle the God of the bible in the same
manner that the 'philosopher's god,
may be dismantled.
all without the unwary ever recognizing
that 'the philosopher's god' and the God
of the bible are not identical.
one is a human derivation based on
an incomplete knowledge base
and one is a veiled description of a Deity
which does not present itself for complete
inspection from within the confines of
'the natural' manifestation.
so, in part, some 'sectarian squabbles'
center around the mismatched overlay
of the humanly derived 'philosopher's god'
and an excerpted pattern of similarity
culled from the pages of the bible.
if you can be brought into the acceptance of the
'philosopher's god' through some analysis
of the pages of the bible, then it's all too easy
to rip into your understanding of the God of
the bible by ripping apart the 'philosopher's god'
same sort of thing applies to 'omnipotent'
the general format being;
omnipotent
"god must be able to do all things"
"making yes = no cannot be done"
therefore;
"there is no omnipotent being"
"there is no god"
1. 'god must be omnipotent to be god
2. this thing cannot be done because
it violates the logical structure of
it's own inception,
therefore,
no omnipotent being can exist.'
it's the second part that gets disguised
like;
"can god be god and not god at the same time?"
subsequently, the 'philosopher's god' becomes 'Nature'
and now, you should see that there is no choice,
just natural predisposition,
because "Nature" is impersonal and so is
unable to provide a choice in a man that
it does not have.
etc.
sometimes house cleaning is a good thing.
and if 'leavening' ends up in your 'doctrine'
is should be purged to as to deliver
the more 'pure' wisdom, if possible,
and such is possible.
i don't have to purge the philosopher's god'
because i never have fallen prey to it.
but some may.
and purging the leavening is a good thing.
because "Nature" is impersonal and so is
unable to provide a choice in a man that
it does not have.
sometimes house cleaning is a good thing.
and if 'leavening' ends up in your 'doctrine'
and purging the leavening is a good thing.
so, you get all this bit about 'change'unable to provide a choice in a man that
it does not have.
sometimes house cleaning is a good thing.
and if 'leavening' ends up in your 'doctrine'
and purging the leavening is a good thing.
and 'constant flux' and 'situational ethics.'
the problem here is that it still leaves -you-
as a piece of silly putty which immediately adapts
to a given set of surroundings and so it is
the surroundings which dictate the -you- that is
appropriate for -them- and not -you- -ever-
being anything but an -image-
-of- those surroundings
more contradiction.
you fish out of water
and/or a little gerbil performing for circus treats.
-if- you blend in to this milieu/enVIromint correctly
you get three circus treats and you
think this means that you are then 'happy'
only to find that the circus treats are 'unsatisfying'
and again, you are unhappy.
and the -conditioning- has allowed
for the only -possible- outcome.
what might that be?
this has to be one of the
insertion pathways of the
leavening agents.
and these leavening agents make your
ginger bread house inhospitable to God.
driving you further apart,
and you have no -you-
to recognize -as-
yourself anymore.
a puffed up
hollowed out
cracker
that ain't you.
where did you go?
how did you disappear?
you saw yourself for a moment.
and that moment passed.
...
'the philosopher' knits a suit for 'god' and
hangs it on a line not seeming to care that
the suit he admires remains empty.
'the philosopher' has built a stadium
and invented a game in which he expects
'god' to play, and stands on the field,
concluding there is no God, because;
"He never shows up for the game"
sort of like;
�We played the flute for you,
And you did not dance;
We mourned to you,
And you did not weep.�
it's not surprising that the -'philosopher's god'-
is dead, inasmuch as -it- never lived.
'it' falls under the weight of its own
'verbal ambiguities'
the 'phliosopher god'
-would- care about the 'rules'
if 'it' was -aware- of the 'rules'.
the philosopher god would say;
'ay, you mispelled my name'
'it's not 'phliosopher god'
it's 'p h i l o s o p h e r g o d'
and then the phliosopher would have to say;
'you can't care how i mispell yur name,
because i already said you can't
care about anything at all.
"so, you can't possibly be the True phliosopher god
because you -care- about how your name is spelled
i'll have to give you a new name, that's easier to spell
so, you won't care, when i mispells it."
"for example, i could call you
e.g. c i.e.
and see if that would make
you see it in other words.
only then you be grossly morphized into stone.
more to complain about, i guess."
"oops, i mean, i presume"
"oops, i mean i ....don't really know at all"
e.g.opci.te.
"now can you see it, oh phliospopher god?
oh, i forgot, you can't see anything.
not to worry, i can't see you either"
==
Psalm 71:4
Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked,
Out of the hand of the unrighteous and leavened man.
Psalm 73:21
Thus my heart was grieved, And
I was leavened in my mind.
1 Corinthians 5:8
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven,
nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness,
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
1 Corinthians 14:20
Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however,
in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature.
Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor,
and evil speaking be put away from you,
with all malice.
Colossians 3:8
But now you yourselves are to put off all these:
anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language
out of your mouth.
Titus 3:3
For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient,
deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living
in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
1 Peter 2:1
Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit,
hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking,
==
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