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**Rowland Croucher**
2009-03-10 02:42:44 UTC
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*Sightings* 3/9/09

Mainline Clergy

-- Martin E. Marty

While the number of Americans coded as =93Mainline Protestant=94 has gone down
(almost) twenty percent in (almost) fifty years, still (almost) one in five
Americans and (almost) one in four voters are part of this often (almost)
invisible cohort which receives (almost) no prime time or front page media
and even (almost) no slot when pollsters interview and rank voters. You
will see and hear more than usual about them, thanks to a Public Religion
Research survey released Friday, entitled *Clergy Voices: Findings from the
2008 Mainline Protestant Clergy Voices Survey*. Robert P. Jones and Daniel
Cox present their findings, which are active enough, but in their own way.

Until around 1960 this cluster dominated much public discourse, as it does
not today. Happily, Jones and Cox don=92t waste any of their thirty-five
pages revisiting the overdone analysis of reasons for their relative decline
in size, status, and noise. Old stuff. The new stuff here is their set of
findings about clergy voices and actions today (as of last August, that is).

While the mainliners have enemies, mainly among conservative Protestants
and think-tanks on the right, they go about their work in thousands of vital
congregations and more struggling ones. Those enemies like to portray them
as ideological leftists; *Clergy Voices* does not find them so. The word
=93diffuse=94 shows up in the reports. They have voices in public affairs, but
rarely and mildly try to project or enforce social justice =93dogma.=94 Some
see their limits as a result of lay reaction to leftism, but current members
are not massively assaulted with radical preachments and policies.

Politicians who would organize and exploit them, as they do some other
religious groups, would have difficulty doing so; constituencies vary too
much by denomination, region, social class, and height of boundaries that
might be used to keep members in and others out. Their members may have
strong social justice commitments, but they blend them with those in other
religions or in the secular order. Yes, half call themselves =93liberal,=94
because they are not afraid of the label, but a third are=20
=93conservative.=94 Over
half are Democrat-=93leaning=94 and one-third =93claim a Republican affiliation.=94
No surprise here: More than three-quarters want the federal government to
do more on the social problems front, especially in respect to environmental
and health care issues. They fall into the =93church-state separation=94 camp,
and far more are worried about public officials who are too close to
religious leaders than about those who are too far.

Four out of five speak up on hunger and poverty issues but=97and this fits the
stereotype=97only one-fourth =93often discussed the issues of abortion and
capital punishment.=94 They are friendlier than not to gay and lesbian
people, and a majority supports their rights. Clergy? Ninety-three percent
are still white, eighty percent male, only twenty-nine percent believe in
biblical inerrancy, almost eighty-percent say they are strongly interested
in politics, but most don=92t preach on specific legislative or candidacy
themes. They and their members pitch in on other than directly political
causes and prefer broad-based works of mercy through voluntary associations
in church and beyond it. On the large screen, most =93are firmly opposed to
the war in Iraq and most think Israel has to make greater concessions to
achieve Middle East peace. That, in our reading, is the solitary issue that
prompts editorial and talk-show talk. They are generally for control of
guns. Maybe that=92s a clue to the reasoning of those who attack them:=20
Taking
on guns, they attack what may be America=92s real religion.

*References:*

Find information on the sponsoring agency of the survey at
www.publicreligion.org; the survey itself is available at
http://www.publicreligion.org/research/?id=3D167.


Martin E. Marty's biography, current projects, upcoming events,
publications, and contact information can be found at www.illuminos.com.

Visit the Religion and Culture Web Forum:
http://divinity.uchicago.edu/martycenter/publications/webforum/index.shtml

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*Sightings* comes from the Martin Marty
Center<http://divinity.uchicago.edu/martycenter/>at the University of
Chicago Divinity School.

Attribution

Columns may be quoted or republished in full, with attribution to the author
of the column, *Sightings*, and the Martin Marty Center at the University of
Chicago Divinity School.
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Shalom/Salaam/Pax! Rowland Croucher

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2009-03-18 02:10:19 UTC
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On Mar 9, 7:42=A0pm, **Rowland Croucher**
*Sightings* =A03/9/09
Mainline Clergy
-- Martin E. Marty
=A0 While the mainliners have enemies, mainly among conservative Protesta=
nts
and think-tanks on the right, they go about their work in thousands of vi=
tal
congregations and more struggling ones.
They create "enemies" as figments of their imagination. I am not a
Fundamentalist nor an "Evangelical" but since I attend a mildly
charismatic church we have contacts with a good many. I have never
heard anyone disparage a "mainline" church though some of the
positions they have adopted have been criticized.


=A0Those enemies like to portray them
as ideological leftists; *Clergy Voices* does not find them so. =A0The wo=
rd
=3Ddiffuse=3D94 shows up in the reports. =A0They have voices in public af=
fairs, but
rarely and mildly try to project or enforce social justice =3Ddogma.=3D94=
=A0Some
see their limits as a result of lay reaction to leftism, but current memb=
ers
are not massively assaulted with radical preachments and policies.
I was a member of a Presbyterian church, the laity were considerably
less radical then their clergy. I have a excellent friend whose father
was an Episcopal priest, and who, himself, tends toward the Anglo-
Catholic; he now finds himself without a church home do to the
radicalization of that clergy. If the standard becomes whatever is
politically expedient at the time and not what pleases God, we, as
Christians, are no more useful than secular moralists, and likely in
deep do-do with the Father.

=A0Yes, half call themselves =3Dliberal,=3D94
because they are not afraid of the label, but a third are=3D20
=3DConservative.=3D94
You would likely find the same sort of breakdown, in reverse of
course, among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals

=A0Over
half are Democrat-=3Dleaning=3D94 and one-third =3Dclaim a Republican aff=
iliation.=3D94
=A0 No surprise here: =A0More than three-quarters want the federal govern=
ment to
do more on the social problems front, especially in respect to environmen=
tal
and health care issues.
While the more conservative groups address the social problems them
self, without recourse to Caesar


=A0They fall into the =3DChurch-state separation=3D94 camp,
and far more are worried about public officials who are too close to
religious leaders than about those who are too far.
Remarkable !!!! No wonder we are trending toward the secularism of
Europe. Exactly what do they suspect? That God will have too great an
influence???
Honestly, do they fear theocracy? If so they should receive treatment
for Paranoia.
Four out of five speak up on hunger and poverty issues but=3D and this fi=
ts the
stereotype
While more conservatives in the country are ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING
ABOUT IT. If you want to tax someone else, instead of helping
yourself, I wonder at your intellectual honesty.


only one-fourth =3Doften discussed the issues of abortion and
capital punishment.=3D94 =A0They are friendlier than not to gay and lesbi=
an
people, and a majority supports their rights.
While a majority of conservative congregations care more about their
souls. I confess I don't see such a big problem here, as many more
traditional conservatives do, but neither do I see the hatred that
they are accused of.

=A0On the large screen, most =3Dare firmly opposed to
the war in Iraq and most think Israel has to make greater concessions to
achieve Middle East peace.
You have only to put us in Israel's position to see the futility of
these positions. People hate, and want to destroy you. They don't want
peace except as a ploy to advance their efforts to eliminate you.

=A0That, in our reading, is the solitary issue that
prompts editorial and talk-show talk. =A0They are generally for control o=
f
guns. =A0Maybe that=3D92s a clue to the reasoning of those who attack the=
m:=3D20
Taking
on guns, they attack what may be America=3D92s real religion.
As De Tocqueville observed, our real religion is independence and
personal equality. That no President, Governor, Church leader,
Professor (no matter how frustrated that with all his schooling he
isn't allowed to run things), Lawyer or anyone else; has the right to
dictate the parameters of your personal life nor, as is the case here,
take away your ability to protect those you love.

Daryl
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