From: ***@mindspring.com (Frank)
Christ showed the world mostly thru the apostle Paul of its need to
trust in Christ in order to be saved. But the world began to trust in
other things besides Christ for salvation, so Christ clearly showed the
world that our entire righteousness for salvation is Christ rather than
any of our own, and so the Protestant movement began
Patrick:
Try really learning what Paul wrote below that I use to prove you are
wrong again.
1 Corinthians 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God
and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple
of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which
temple you are. ~ Note: The word temple is a metaphor. It means the
spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by
and in Christ. So ourselves are the temple with the Holy Spirit dwelling
in us. To defile the temple means to lead away from the state of
holiness in which you ought to abide. Then God will destroy you and you
will perish. Some people want to think the word temple here is only
about a church building. But the truth is that the word temple refers to
the individual believer just like in 1 Corinthians 6:19. God does not
destroy and to make perish a church building. The word states God will
destroy him, not it. What, you think God is going to make the building
catch on fire and burn it down to destroy it? No way is this about a
building. It is about each of our own individual spiritual lives that
God can make perish.
1 Corinthians 9:27 - But I discipline my body and bring it into
subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become
disqualified. ~ Note: Paul was talking about being disqualified to
receive the prize of the imperishable crown (received in eternal life)
as the 2 previous verses in the Bible explain. Instead of disqualified
in the NKJV, the KJV has castaway. It also means reprobate, rejected,
not standing the test, not approved, that which does not prove itself
such as it ought. Other times the word (the Greek word adokimos) is used
in the NT, it's talking about the lost (2 Cor. 13:5-7 , 2 Tim. 3:8 ,
Titus 1:16). So since Paul was aware of the danger of not being approved
and becoming lost, we also should be careful. Paul was being careful by
when he disciplined himself and brought his body into subjection. That
means he made himself to be a slave subject to stern and rigid
discipline.
1 Corinthians 10:1-12 - ... I do not want you to be unaware that all our
fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea... and all
drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock
that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. But with most of them God
was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not
lust after evil things as they also lusted. And do not become idolaters
as were some of them. As it is written, "The people sat down to eat and
drink, and rose up to play." Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as
some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; nor let us
tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by
serpents; nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were
destroyed by the destroyer. Now all these things happened to them as
examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends
of the ages have come. Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed
lest he fall. ~ Note: The word for fall also means to fall under
judgment, come under condemnation, to fall out, to fall from i.e. perish
or be lost, to fall from a state of uprightness, come to an end,
disappear, cease. That's definitely a loss of salvation.
1 Corinthians 11:31,32 - For if we would judge ourselves, we would not
be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we
may not be condemned with the world. ~ Note: To judge ourselves also
means to be at variance with one's self, hesitate, doubt. So think about
it and be careful of what you do. The word for chastened also means to
punish in order to correct by the afflictions of evils and calamities.
So if life seems a misery and you're going through extreme misfortune
that brought great loss and sorrow, then it might be God at work causing
that so you don't lose your salvation. The word for condemned also means
to be given judgment against, damned. Surely that means God corrects and
punishes us so that we don't go to hell with the lost people. The word
world here also means the ungodly multitude, the whole mass of men
alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ. So
that proves this passage of Scripture applies only to saved people and
not the lost people as well. God does this for our betterment so that we
don't become lost.
If hard times make you depressed knowing the previous Scripture should
give some relief because we know its for the good. Here's some more good
news: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father
of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our
tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any
trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God -
2 Cor. 1:3,4. Comforts also means to encourage, strengthen. The word
tribulation here also means oppression, affliction, distress, burden.
For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also
abounds through Christ - 2 Cor. 1:5. Sufferings also means misfortune,
calamity, evil, affliction. So that's just like what the chastening of
the Lord is in 1 Cor. 11:32. Consolation also means exhortation,
admonition, encouragement, comfort or refreshment. So be of good cheer
because God will comfort us even though life may be tough. ~ Now if we
are afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is
effective for enduring the same sufferings which we also suffer. Or if
we are comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation. And our hope
for you is steadfast, because we know that as you are partakers of the
sufferings, so also you will partake of the consolation - 2 Cor. 1:6,7.
1 Corinthians 15:1,2 - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel
which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached
to you -- unless you believed in vain. ~ Note: The word for if is a
primary particle of CONDITIONALITY meaning if, whether. So clearly it
makes being saved CONDITIONAL. The phrase hold fast also means retain
from going away, to keep secure, keep firm possession of. The word for
in vain has the idea of failure. It also means without a cause,
inconsiderably, without success or effort. So obviously our believing in
the word of God can fail. We must keep believing the word of God and
hold on to that word by letting it be real in our lives.
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